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Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

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Goobieman said:
This is a lie. You cannot, as proven by all of your diversions.
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Prove it's a lie.

Rescind your idiotic comment that answers are answers even when the questioner is too damn stupid and/or ignorant to understand the answer when given.

Otherwise, I'm not going to give you an answer you can....er might be able to understand.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
So clearly the fact that there's fish in mountain streams must have an explainable means of refuting Noah's Myth. It's there. It's real. And it's not going to be told to you until you show some maturity.
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This is, again, a lie. You cannot support this assertion.
 
Blackdog said:
How could Job, more than 3000 years ago, possibly have known that God “hangs the earth upon nothing."
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The Greeks already knew the earth was a sphere. This is evident to any intelligent person observiing a lunar eclipse and to any intelligent being believing the universe revolves aROUND the earth.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
The Greeks already knew the earth was a sphere. This is evident to any intelligent person observiing a lunar eclipse and to any intelligent being believing the universe revolves aROUND the earth.
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It was written before 240 BCE. This is the Old Testament, not the new.
 
No, because the Bible does not say that God only created life on the planet Earth.
 
Blackdog said:
No proof of this exists
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The Epic of Gilgamesh exists. Ever hear of "google"? The Epic of Gilgamesh predates the writing Noah.

Blackdog said:
and in reality, the things that are the same are tenuous at best. Please explain how native American and South American natives also have the same story? Hmmm?
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Hmmmm.....where's you evidence that it's the SAME story?

Blackdog said:
So he saved them from a large local flood. To them it was global. What part of "there world was much smaller than ours are you not understanding?"
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So you're confessing that the myth of Noah, in which God ordered Noah to build a damn big boat to save all the animals of the earth from drowning, was in fact a myth because no merely local flood requires a species-preserving Ark.

Try looking at the whole story, since it's the whole story that's false as well as the most of the details.

Blackdog said:
Who said it can't be taken literally?
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You just did.

The bible said "whole earth", and I ain't wasting my time to dig the verse out of Genesis, and you just said it doesn't mean "whole earth", it just means the limits of the imaginations of the people of the era.

Blackdog said:
Common sense to know what is figuratively spoken and what is not goes a long way.
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Right.

So once again, you're saying the Bible isn't to be taken literally, but figuratively.

Blackdog said:
Study is also helpful.
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You should try it.

Start with the science of cosmology, work over to geology, then do some time studying biology, abiogenesis, and evolution. Once you're acquainted with the real world, try to relate what it tells you to the fairy stories in your Bible.

Blackdog said:
Not just study of the Bible, but the culture and time it comes from. There perspective was very different from ours and did not have the language to explain things shown to them in our modern day terms.
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Right. Again you're saying the Bible is to be taken figuratively, not literally.
 
Goobieman said:
I did. Pehaps you missed it? It was in the post you responded to.
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You did not.

Let me know when you've rescinded your Rule, it's really embarassing to watch you squirm and make an ass of yourself.

(and funny as hell)
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Noah's flood not only didn't happen as described, the story itself is plagiarized from Mesopotamian sources.
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As I have shown this is not true.

Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Joshua ben Nun Joshua ben Nun did not observe the sun halted in it's motion ever, not once in his entire life, and certainly not for a full "day".
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You were there I assume? Otherwise you can't know.

Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Right.

The one person out of the eight that says he didn't see Noah's flood is the correct one.
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Dodging and deflecting my answer makes it no less true.

Scarecrow Akhbar said:
And then, since you just said they have nothing in common, you have an internally inconsistent mishmash that refutes the stories told within it, not to mention the fact that physical reality refutes parts of it also.
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Not really. You have the collected writings of many people in one source.

Bad mouthing it on information that in most cases is wrong, makes it no less than what it is.

Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Your premise is flawed because you don't want to know the history of humanity.
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I actually know quite a bit since I was an anthropology major in college. Hmmm.
 
Blackdog said:
It was written before 240 BCE. This is the Old Testament, not the new.
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Well, the term is supposed to be BC, and was changed to BCE out of a political correctness I don't particpate in.

And you thumpers should be most adamant against the BCE tag. Maybe you don't understand the issues involved?

Erastothenes calculated a diameter for the earth (fairly accurate) and mathematically demonstrated what was already known from observation.

Do study the history of science, okay, and don't try to teach it to your betters.
 
Blackdog said:
As I have shown this is not true.
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You've shown that the Myth of Noah was written before the Mesopotamian legends of Gilgamesh?

Where's your Nobel prize, since this overturns established chronology.

Blackdog said:
You were there I assume? Otherwise you can't know.
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If you studied physics, you would see your present ignorance and hang your head in shame.

As it is, this is what I expect from thumpers.

Blackdog said:
Dodging and deflecting my answer makes it no less true.
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No, nothing could make your answer less true.

Blackdog said:
Not really. You have the collected writings of many people in one source. Bad mouthing it on information that in most cases is wrong, makes it no less than what it is.
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And naturally committees never have any disagreements.

Blackdog said:
I actually know quite a bit since I was an anthropology major in college. Hmmm.
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Amazing. You earned degree in a science but refuse to think like a scientist.

You earned a degree, and yet can't agree with what the science of anthropology says about the reality of human physical origins and the evolution of human culture.

Can you explain why, as you so clearly lack any curiousity regarding the reality of human history on this planet, why you chose to study the science of human historical development?
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
The Epic of Gilgamesh exists. Ever hear of "google"? The Epic of Gilgamesh predates the writing Noah.
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So what?

Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Hmmmm.....where's you evidence that it's the SAME story?
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Africa:

"Southwest Tanzania
Once upon a time the rivers began to flood. The god told two people to get into a ship. He told them to take lots of seed and to take lots of animals. The water of the flood eventually covered the mountains. Finally the flood stopped. Then one of the men, wanting to know if the water had dried up let a dove loose. The dove returned. Later he let loose a hawk which did not return. Then the men left the boat and took the animals and the seeds with them."

China:

"The Chinese classic called the Hihking tells about "the family of Fuhi," that was saved from a great flood. This ancient story tells that the entire land was flooded; the mountains and everything, however one family survived in a boat. The Chinese consider this man the father of their civilization. This record indicates that Fuhi, his wife, three sons, and three daughters were the only people that escaped the great flood. It is claimed, that he and his family were the only people alive on earth, and repopulated the world.

North America

"Mexico
The Toltec natives have a legend telling that the original creation lasted for 1716 years, and was destroyed by a flood and only one family survived.

Aztec- A man named Tapi lived a long time ago. Tapi was a very pious man. The creator told Tapi to build a boat that he would live in. He was told that he should take his wife, a pair of every animal that was alive into this boat. Naturally everyone thought he was crazy. Then the rain started and the flood came. The men and animals tried to climb the mountains but the mountains became flooded as well. Finally the rain ended. Tapi decided that the water had dried up when he let a dove loose that did not return.

United States
The Ojibwe natives who have lived in Minnesota USA since approximately 1400AD also have a creation and flood story that closely paralleles the Biblical account. "There came a time when the harmonious way of life did not continue. Men and women disrespected each other, families quarreled and soon villages began arguing back and forth. This saddened Gitchie Manido [the Creator] greatly, but he waited. Finally, when it seemed there was no hope left, Creator decided to purify Mother Earth through the use of water. The water came, flooding the Earth, catching all of creation off guard. All but a few of each living thing survived." Then it tells how Waynaboozhoo survived by floating on a log in the water with various animals.
Ojibwe - Ancient native American creation story tells of world wide flood.

Delaware Indians - In the pristine age, the world lived at peace; but an evil spirit came and caused a great flood. The earth was submerged. A few persons had taken refuge on the back of a turtle, so old that his shell had collected moss. A loon flew over their heads and was entreated to dive beneath the water and bring up land. It found only a bottomless sea. Then the bird flew far away, came back with a small portion of earth in its bill, and guided the tortoise to a place where there was a spot of dry land.


Scarecrow Akhbar said:
So you're confessing that the myth of Noah, in which God ordered Noah to build a damn big boat to save all the animals of the earth from drowning, was in fact a myth because no merely local flood requires a species-preserving Ark.
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Please point out were I said anything even close.

Intellectual dishonesty is no way to debate. Nice red herring though.

Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Try looking at the whole story, since it's the whole story that's false as well as the most of the details.
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OK and this supports your argument how?

Scarecrow Akhbar said:
You just did.

The bible said "whole earth", and I ain't wasting my time to dig the verse out of Genesis, and you just said it doesn't mean "whole earth", it just means the limits of the imaginations of the people of the era.
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This is a lie, I said "From the writers perspective it was the whole world" continue your dishonesty.

Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Right.

So once again, you're saying the Bible isn't to be taken literally, but figuratively.
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Keep deflecting and lying about what I said.

Scarecrow Akhbar said:
You should try it.

Start with the science of cosmology, work over to geology, then do some time studying biology, abiogenesis, and evolution. Once you're acquainted with the real world, try to relate what it tells you to the fairy stories in your Bible.
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So far you have posted nothing from any of those disciplines that disagrees with the Bible.

Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Right. Again you're saying the Bible is to be taken figuratively, not literally.
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And here I thought I would get more than red herrings. :doh
 
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Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Well, the term is supposed to be BC, and was changed to BCE out of a political correctness I don't particpate in.
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So what?

Scarecrow Akhbar said:
And you thumpers should be most adamant against the BCE tag. Maybe you don't understand the issues involved?

Erastothenes calculated a diameter for the earth (fairly accurate) and mathematically demonstrated what was already known from observation.

Do study the history of science, okay, and don't try to teach it to your betters.
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Maybe you don't understand. the Torah was written long before he made the calculations. :lol:
 
Blackdog said:
So what?
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What part of "Moses plagiarized the Epic of Gilgamesh and called him Noah" do you find impossible to understand?

As stated, lots of cultures have flood legends.

That's nice.

Since the entire planet wasn't flooded, they're obviously not all about the same flood happening at the same time.

Gee, if they were all about the same flood happening at the same time, your argument that it was a local event bounded by people's limited knowlege of geography is false.

So you just refuted your own point and are demonstrating nothing but an inconsistency in reasoning consistent with religious hysteria.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
You've shown that the Myth of Noah was written before the Mesopotamian legends of Gilgamesh?

Where's your Nobel prize, since this overturns established chronology.
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More lies.

Please point out where I said this or even implied it???

Scarecrow Akhbar said:
If you studied physics, you would see your present ignorance and hang your head in shame.

As it is, this is what I expect from thumpers.
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So you have no argument and you resort to adhoms, very nice.

Scarecrow Akhbar said:
No, nothing could make your answer less true.
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So it is not true that 8 people can see the same event and not give a different story? :lol::lol::lol:

Scarecrow Akhbar said:
And naturally committees never have any disagreements.
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Irrelevant to the subject at hand.

Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Amazing. You earned degree in a science but refuse to think like a scientist.

You earned a degree, and yet can't agree with what the science of anthropology says about the reality of human physical origins and the evolution of human culture.

Can you explain why, as you so clearly lack any curiousity regarding the reality of human history on this planet, why you chose to study the science of human historical development?
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So you can't back up your claim and you resort to more lies and an adhom yet AGAIN.
 
Blackdog said:
So you can't back up your claim and you resort to more lies and an adhom yet AGAIN.
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Yes... and he thinks -I'm- the one with the problem.

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Scarecrow Akhbar said:
What part of "Moses plagiarized the Epic of Gilgamesh and called him Noah" do you find impossible to understand?

As stated, lots of cultures have flood legends.

That's nice.

Since the entire planet wasn't flooded, they're obviously not all about the same flood happening at the same time.
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So you are admitting you are wrong. Thanks.

Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Gee, if they were all about the same flood happening at the same time, your argument that it was a local event bounded by people's limited knowlege of geography is false.
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They weren't, and I never said they were. Nice assuming. :doh

Scarecrow Akhbar said:
So you just refuted your own point and are demonstrating nothing but an inconsistency in reasoning consistent with religious hysteria.
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Keep reaching. :sinking:

I guess you did not see my last post which shows your utter lack of knowledge on the subject matter.
 
Blackdog said:
More lies.

Please point out where I said this or even implied it???
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You stated that the story of Noah wasn't plagiarized. Since one of the two documents is clearly copied from the other, you're now implying that whoever wrote the Epic of Gilgamesh plagiarized Noah.

However, this theory crashes on the shoals of history, since the dating of both tales are firm and Noah came second.

Blackdog said:
So you have no argument and you resort to adhoms, very nice.
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I refer you to Goobieman's Rule, and you'll either have to study enough physics to pass high school or request Goobieman to rescind that silly rule so I will be free to provide answers on a level an anthropologist might be able to understand.

For a hint, refer to HG Wells and "The Man Who Could Work Miracles", which presents a hint of the problems associated with stopping the sun in it's tracks, or giving it the appearance of stopping, since it's the earth that moves in relation ot the sun.

Blackdog said:
So it is not true that 8 people can see the same event and not give a different story? :lol::lol::lol:
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Since I didn't refute that statement and merely drew the correct conclusion from it, your inability to comprehend the written word makes you tedious.

Blackdog said:
Irrelevant to the subject at hand.
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I post what's relevant, you're not the judge, since you can't comprehend basic written english.

Blackdog said:
So you can't back up your claim and you resort to more lies and an adhom yet AGAIN.
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I can back up every claim I make.

I'm absolved from having to do so by the Goobieman Rule, and this also makes me free to write on my level of comprehension, not yours.

I like Goobieman's Rule, really I do.

The ignorant people are having problems keeping up with me, but that's Goobiman's fault. It's his Rule.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
You stated that the story of Noah wasn't plagiarized. Since one of the two documents is clearly copied from the other, you're now implying that whoever wrote the Epic of Gilgamesh plagiarized Noah.
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I did not say anything even close. I also showed that other continents had exactly the same story and I don't see you claiming plagiarism in those cases.

Scarecrow Akhbar said:
However, this theory crashes on the shoals of history, since the dating of both tales are firm and Noah came second.
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All this proves is that one was written before the other, nothing else. So are you going to keep ignoring the evidence I posted or are you actually going to present a reasonable argument?

Scarecrow Akhbar said:
I refer you to Goobieman's Rule, and you'll either have to study enough physics to pass high school or request Goobieman to rescind that silly rule so I will be free to provide answers on a level an anthropologist might be able to understand.
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And this red herring has something to do with your argument?

Scarecrow Akhbar said:
For a hint, refer to HG Wells and "The Man Who Could Work Miracles", which presents a hint of the problems associated with stopping the sun in it's tracks, or giving it the appearance of stopping, since it's the earth that moves in relation ot the sun.
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So a piece of accepted fiction is somehow evidence of something?


Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Since I didn't refute that statement and merely drew the correct conclusion from it, your inability to comprehend the written word makes you tedious.
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So you got nothing? :2wave:

Scarecrow Akhbar said:
I post what's relevant, you're not the judge, since you can't comprehend basic written english.
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More personal attacks. That gets your point across well.

Scarecrow Akhbar said:
I can back up every claim I make.

I'm absolved from having to do so by the Goobieman Rule, and this also makes me free to write on my level of comprehension, not yours.
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Still got nothing?

Scarecrow Akhbar said:
I like Goobieman's Rule, really I do.

The ignorant people are having problems keeping up with me, but that's Goobiman's fault. It's his Rule.
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Right. :lol:
 
Blackdog said:
I did not say anything even close. I also showed that other continents had exactly the same story and I don't see you claiming plagiarism in those cases.
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So in other words you're rescinding your argument that the Noah Myth is merely a local event.



Blackdog said:
All this proves is that one was written before the other, nothing else.
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No, the evidence of plagiarism is quite plain. Since Gilgamesh predates Noah, Moses was the plagiarizer.

Blackdog said:
So a piece of accepted fiction is somehow evidence of something?
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Exactly. The accepted piece of fiction known as Noah is evidence that Bible can't be taken on faith.
 
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Scarecrow Akhbar said:
So in other words you're rescinding your argument that the Noah Myth is merely a local event.
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Go back and read what I said.

Scarecrow Akhbar said:
No, the evidence of plagiarism is quite plain. Since Gilgamesh predates Noah, Moses was the plagiarizer.
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So I guess this...

Africa:

"Southwest Tanzania
Once upon a time the rivers began to flood. The god told two people to get into a ship. He told them to take lots of seed and to take lots of animals. The water of the flood eventually covered the mountains. Finally the flood stopped. Then one of the men, wanting to know if the water had dried up let a dove loose. The dove returned. Later he let loose a hawk which did not return. Then the men left the boat and took the animals and the seeds with them."

China:

"The Chinese classic called the Hihking tells about "the family of Fuhi," that was saved from a great flood. This ancient story tells that the entire land was flooded; the mountains and everything, however one family survived in a boat. The Chinese consider this man the father of their civilization. This record indicates that Fuhi, his wife, three sons, and three daughters were the only people that escaped the great flood. It is claimed, that he and his family were the only people alive on earth, and repopulated the world.

North America

"Mexico
The Toltec natives have a legend telling that the original creation lasted for 1716 years, and was destroyed by a flood and only one family survived.

Aztec- A man named Tapi lived a long time ago. Tapi was a very pious man. The creator told Tapi to build a boat that he would live in. He was told that he should take his wife, a pair of every animal that was alive into this boat. Naturally everyone thought he was crazy. Then the rain started and the flood came. The men and animals tried to climb the mountains but the mountains became flooded as well. Finally the rain ended. Tapi decided that the water had dried up when he let a dove loose that did not return.

United States
The Ojibwe natives who have lived in Minnesota USA since approximately 1400AD also have a creation and flood story that closely paralleles the Biblical account. "There came a time when the harmonious way of life did not continue. Men and women disrespected each other, families quarreled and soon villages began arguing back and forth. This saddened Gitchie Manido [the Creator] greatly, but he waited. Finally, when it seemed there was no hope left, Creator decided to purify Mother Earth through the use of water. The water came, flooding the Earth, catching all of creation off guard. All but a few of each living thing survived." Then it tells how Waynaboozhoo survived by floating on a log in the water with various animals.
Ojibwe - Ancient native American creation story tells of world wide flood.

Delaware Indians - In the pristine age, the world lived at peace; but an evil spirit came and caused a great flood. The earth was submerged. A few persons had taken refuge on the back of a turtle, so old that his shell had collected moss. A loon flew over their heads and was entreated to dive beneath the water and bring up land. It found only a bottomless sea. Then the bird flew far away, came back with a small portion of earth in its bill, and guided the tortoise to a place where there was a spot of dry land.

Means nothing.

Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Exactly. The accepted piece of fiction known as Noah is evidence that Bible can't be taken on faith.
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So you still got nothing.

OK we are done here.
 
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