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Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

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Scarecrow Akhbar said:
No, the Bible disproves the Bible. The Bible isn't consistent with scientific fact.
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Oh really?

Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Fact: The world-drowing flood described for Noah....didn't happen.

Period.

That's it.

No flood.

The myth is....a myth, not true.

End of argument.
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The Bible's different books were written from the perspective of the person writing it. It is many different books with many different authors.

We know huge local floods did indeed happen as almost every religion in the world including Native Americans etc have a similar story.

Now lets take a human from thousands of years ago who thinks the whole wold is what is around him. Now lets show him a giant flood in his area of the world.

Just because you don't understand the perspective of a story does not mean the rest of us don't. ;)
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Was Mary's hymen allegorical? You have to take that article on faith.

But the Bible contains known factual errors, so it cannot be taken on faith.
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It contains no errors. It contains stories and events from different perspectives.

We know 8 people can see exactly the same event and you will get 8 different stories. I know, I was a cop and it is nothing unusual.

Now lets take 66 different books that have literally nothing to do with each other and put them all together into one book.

Your premise is flawed because you don't seem to know much about the history of the Bible.
 
Blackdog said:
It contains no errors. It contains stories and events from different perspectives.

We know 8 people can see exactly the same event and you will get 8 different stories. I know, I was a cop and it is nothing unusual.

Now lets take 66 different books that have literally nothing to do with each other and put them all together into one book.

Your premise is flawed because you don't seem to know much about the history of the Bible.
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It's not because he hasn't been given the information and links on many occasions.
 
Jerry said:
It's not because he hasn't been given the information and links on many occasions.
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I know, but I wanted to at least give him a chance. :)
 
Agent Ferris said:
We don't even have to leave the earth to prove that the bible is wrong, the bible is wrong because the earth isn't flat, and the bible is wrong because we are not within a geocentric universe.
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I just gotta ask...
How do these things disprove the bible?
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
In other words, your rules don't apply when you want an answer.
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I see you're far more interestind in attacking me than you are in supporting your assertion.

Must be because you know that you cannot support said assertion.

That's OK -- no one is surprised.
 
Lachean said:
How can something that is not proven... be disproven?
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If something has been proven, it cannot then be disproven...

Somone posits a theory. Someone disproves the theory. The theory need not be anything other than presented in order for it to be exposed to the possibility of disprovement.

...established or have any geological/cosmoslogical/historical value...
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This is entirely subjective.
 
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EpicDude86 said:
Parts of the Bible have been proven to be historically accurate.
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This is absolutely true. Anyone that absolutely rejects everything in the Bible does so out of ignorance and a bigoted pre-disposition against religion.
 
creativedreams said:
Even though it is almost impossible that the Universe isn't literally full of an almost infinite number of lifeforms.....
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If the universe is truely infinite, then, at this very moment, there are an infinte number of yous reading an infinte number of these responses.

We still cannot rule out the possibility of there being a God in some form because it all had to start somehow.
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If everything in the universe was created by the laws of physics, then everything that has happened and everything that will happen is set in stone.
 
Agent Ferris said:
We don't even have to leave the earth to prove that the bible is wrong, the bible is wrong because the earth isn't flat, and the bible is wrong because we are not within a geocentric universe.
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Please point out where in the Bible it says the "earth is flat?"

And don't even try "the four corners of the earth." The word translated “corners,” as in the phrase just mentioned, is the Hebrew word, KANAPH. Kanaph is translated in a variety of ways. However, it generally means extremity, not corners.

Now I will show you how the Bible long before anyone knew pointed out earths true position in the universe...

Job 26:7 "He it is Who spreads out the northern skies over emptiness and hangs the earth upon or over nothing."

How could Job, more than 3000 years ago, possibly have known that God “hangs the earth upon nothing."

I know! It was a good guess. :mrgreen:

PS if their is life out there it would have no effect on the Bible one way or the other as it makes no mention of it at all.
 
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Blackdog said:
Please point out where in the Bible it says the "earth is flat?"

And don't even try "the four corners of the earth." The word translated “corners,” as in the phrase just mentioned, is the Hebrew word, KANAPH. Kanaph is translated in a variety of ways. However, it generally means extremity, not corners.

Now I will show you how the Bible long before anyone knew pointed out earths true position in the universe...

Job 26:7 "He it is Who spreads out the northern skies over emptiness and hangs the earth upon or over nothing."

How could Job, more than 3000 years ago, possibly have known that God “hangs the earth upon nothing."

I know! It was a good guess. :mrgreen:

PS if their is life out there it would have no effect on the Bible one way or the other as it makes no mention of it at all.
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He's going to point out passages regarding corners and foundations, watch.....
 
Jerry said:
He's going to point out passages regarding corners and foundations, watch.....
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And I will destroy that argument as well. It's not like it was spoken figuratively! :shock:

Already covered the corners thing.

No place does any of the 66 (more if you are Catholic!) books of the Bible, does it say or even imply the earth is flat.

And now for the unbelievers!

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creativedreams said:
Even though it is almost impossible that the Universe isn't literally full of an almost infinite number of lifeforms.....

We still cannot rule out the possibility of there being a God in some form because it all had to start somehow.
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And since we've no need to make things more complicated than they really are, there's no point in inventing a god to just to provide a ridiculous anthropomorphic feel good cause to everything.

The existence of the universe is not proof of the existence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, or any other imaginary god you'd like to name, not even the no-name god Abraham invented.
 
Blackdog said:
Oh really?



The Bible's different books were written from the perspective of the person writing it. It is many different books with many different authors.
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Right.

And the authors plagiarizing the story of Gilgamesh and calling it "Noah" were making up a myth when they said the whole world was covered in water, since that has never happened, ever.

Blackdog said:
We know huge local floods did indeed happen as almost every religion in the world including Native Americans etc have a similar story.
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Irrelevant.

1) The bible says the whole earth was covered, which meant Everest drowned.

2) Almost every society experiences big floods. That doesn't mean Everest drowned or that they occurred comtemporaneously with other mythical flood.

Blackdog said:
Now lets take a human from thousands of years ago who thinks the whole wold is what is around him. Now lets show him a giant flood in his area of the world.
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Yes, let's explain that the Bible is wrong, because it makes things global that arren't. Naturally, if a big flood happens locally, there's no need for Noah to rescue the pigeons, they'll be alive where it's dry.

Oops, I wasn't supposed to point out that flaw in your logic, was I?

Since the Bible can't be taken literally, it can't be taken on faith, and since Mary's Hymen must be taken on faith, the divinity of Jesus is unverifiable and not a credible theory of how the girl got knocked up, since there are so many easier ways to get a broad pregnant. So, Christianity has no foundation if the Bible is false in any way.

The Bible contains proven falsehoods.

Blackdog said:
Just because you don't understand the perspective of a story does not mean the rest of us don't. ;)
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Yes, that you don't understand the story doesn't mean I do not.
 
Blackdog said:
It contains no errors. It contains stories and events from different perspectives.
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Noah's flood not only didn't happen as described, the story itself is plagiarized from Mesopotamian sources.

Joshua ben Nun did not observe the sun halted in it's motion ever, not once in his entire life, and certainly not for a full "day".

Blackdog said:
We know 8 people can see exactly the same event and you will get 8 different stories. I know, I was a cop and it is nothing unusual.
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Right.

The one person out of the eight that says he didn't see Noah's flood is the correct one.

Blackdog said:
Now lets take 66 different books that have literally nothing to do with each other and put them all together into one book.
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And then, since you just said they have nothing in common, you have an internally inconsistent mishmash that refutes the stories told within it, not to mention the fact that physical reality refutes parts of it also.

Blackdog said:
Your premise is flawed because you don't seem to know much about the history of the Bible.
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Your premise is flawed because you don't want to know the history of humanity.
 
Jerry said:
It's not because he hasn't been given the information and links on many occasions.
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Right.

I've heard those misconceptions the thumpers push many times.

Next thing they'll be telling us that humans didn't evolve from earlier non-human species.

Ya gotta be careful of the thumpers, they'll warp your kid's mind if you let them get too close.
 
Goobieman said:
I see you're far more interestind in attacking me than you are in supporting your assertion.

Must be because you know that you cannot support said assertion.

That's OK -- no one is surprised.
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Oh! So your rule has a caveat. When people want to explain the universe, they don't have to understand the answer, but when you have a question, it's not a real answer until it's dumbed down to where you can understand it.

Did you even try to understand HOW fish in a mountain stream disprove that silly Noah myth?

Of course I can support what I say.

Since your rule says I don't have to, I'm not going to, not for you. You have your answer, and don't worry, better minds understand it.
 
Goobieman said:
No... you're afraid.
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You wearing my pants?

You want the answer dumbed down so you can undertand it?

Rescind your silly rule that says answers don't have to be understood to be right.

Would I have picked an answer that doesn't work if there was the least chance that you'd have the maturity to recognize the silliness of your Rule and rescind it?

Of course not. So clearly the fact that there's fish in mountain streams must have an explainable means of refuting Noah's Myth. It's there. It's real. And it's not going to be told to you until you show some maturity.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Right.
And the authors plagiarizing the story of Gilgamesh and calling it "Noah" were making up a myth when they said the whole world was covered in water, since that has never happened, ever.
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No proof of this exists and in reality, the things that are the same are tenuous at best. Please explain how native American and South American natives also have the same story? Hmmm?

Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Irrelevant.

1) The bible says the whole earth was covered, which meant Everest drowned.

2) Almost every society experiences big floods. That doesn't mean Everest drowned or that they occurred comtemporaneously with other mythical flood.
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From the writers perspective it was the whole world just like the "irrelevant" story's from other cultures that had no connection whatsoever with the tales of Gilgamesh. :2wave:

Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Yes, let's explain that the Bible is wrong, because it makes things global that arren't. Naturally, if a big flood happens locally, there's no need for Noah to rescue the pigeons, they'll be alive where it's dry.
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So he saved them from a large local flood. To them it was global. What part of "there world was much smaller than ours are you not understanding?"

Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Oops, I wasn't supposed to point out that flaw in your logic, was I?
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Maybe the flaw in your own logic as I have shown. :mrgreen:

Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Since the Bible can't be taken literally, it can't be taken on faith, and since Mary's Hymen must be taken on faith, the divinity of Jesus is unverifiable and not a credible theory of how the girl got knocked up, since there are so many easier ways to get a broad pregnant. So, Christianity has no foundation if the Bible is false in any way.
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Who said it can't be taken literally?

Common sense to know what is figuratively spoken and what is not goes a long way.

Study is also helpful. Not just study of the Bible, but the culture and time it comes from. There perspective was very different from ours and did not have the language to explain things shown to them in our modern day terms.

Scarecrow Akhbar said:
The Bible contains proven falsehoods.

Yes, that you don't understand the story doesn't mean I do not.
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You have yet to really point any out.

PS I don't think the Bible was written by God or even assembled by God. It is a collection of the writings of Jews and early Christians over the century's. Put into one book maybe guided by God for us.
 
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Goobieman said:
If the universe is truely infinite, then, at this very moment, there are an infinte number of yous reading an infinte number of these responses.
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There's an infinite number of EXACTLY you's reading an infinite number of exactly the same response, in an infinite universe.


Goobieman said:
If everything in the universe was created by the laws of physics, then everything that has happened and everything that will happen is set in stone.
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Heisenberg says otherwise.
 
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