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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    No, you actually posited the existence of a place that doesn't exist.
    We don't know that, which is why I say it can be a possibility.
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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    We don't know that, which is why I say it can be a possibility.
    When you said it was outside of reality, you said it doesn't exist. These are just the definitions of the words. Reality is all of the things that are real. What is real is what exists in actuality. If you are saying the thing exists, it must exist in reality.

    To say it exist outside of reality is the exact same thing as saying it doesn't exist. It works like a double negative.

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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    When you said it was outside of reality, you said it doesn't exist. These are just the definitions of the words. Reality is all of the things that are real. What is real is what exists in actuality. If you are saying the thing exists, it must exist in reality.

    To say it exist outside of reality is the exact same thing as saying it doesn't exist. It works like a double negative.

    No, I only said it was outside the reality of what we understand as reality, pertaining to our universe. If something exists in a different universe, it is outside of our reality, yet it still exists.

    What we understand as reality is only a construct that applies to this universe. We do not know that it can be applied to other universe. Therefore, we do not know that what is possible in this universe can be impossible in another. Conversely, we do not know if what is impossible in this universe can be possible in another. The bottom line is that we do not know, and we cannot know.

    If you can understand the concept of multiple dimensions or multiple universes, then you must understand the concept of multiple realities. It would not be logical for you to assume that the properties of logic in THIS reality to apply to an unknown reality where different properties of logic may reside.

    Again, only if you accept the above.
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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    No, I only said it was outside the reality of what we understand as reality, pertaining to our universe. If something exists in a different universe, it is outside of our reality, yet it still exists.

    What we understand as reality is only a construct that applies to this universe. We do not know that it can be applied to other universe. Therefore, we do not know that what is possible in this universe can be impossible in another. Conversely, we do not know if what is impossible in this universe can be possible in another. The bottom line is that we do not know, and we cannot know.

    If you can understand the concept of multiple dimensions or multiple universes, then you must understand the concept of multiple realities. It would not be logical for you to assume that the properties of logic in THIS reality to apply to an unknown reality where different properties of logic may reside.

    Again, only if you accept the above.
    And that requires ignoring th ereal definition of reality and inserting one that does nto exist. What you are defining reality to be is irrelevent to waht reality really is. REality is everything that is real. It is not confined to this universe IF there exists more things thatn this universe.

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    how can you absolutely know it doesn't exist?

    You can only believe it does or doesn't exist. Its actual existence is not contingent upon belief in its existence.
    It can't exist if it is not a part of reality.

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    Cool Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    The rules of logic are bound by what we perceive reality is. Our perception may be wrong.
    I was wandering when somebody would bring that up if nobody had before I got to the last page I was going to.

    Two points I would like to bring up about what the human race preceive as logica;.

    1 The human race as a whole is in fact illogical.

    2 How we preceive logic today may change what we see as logocal in a matter of years.

    That's my opinion anyway and I shouldn't have to give examples for either point.
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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    And that requires ignoring th ereal definition of reality and inserting one that does nto exist. What you are defining reality to be is irrelevent to waht reality really is. REality is everything that is real. It is not confined to this universe IF there exists more things thatn this universe.
    The way we define reality is based on our understanding in this universe. You're not able to define reality in any other universe because of our ignorance of such.

    I simply gave the notion that there may be multiple realities, which are defined by their respective universes, which may or may not be similar to ours. Therefore the possibility of a different reality cannot be determined by our definitions of reality because it is not based on the same universe.

    Let's just ask you a simple question: Do you think it's possible that there are multiple universes?
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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    I was wandering when somebody would bring that up if nobody had before I got to the last page I was going to.

    Two points I would like to bring up about what the human race preceive as logica;.

    1 The human race as a whole is in fact illogical.
    How so?

    2 How we preceive logic today may change what we see as logocal in a matter of years.
    True. It may. It may not.

    That's my opinion anyway and I shouldn't have to give examples for either point.
    Of course you don't have to give reasoning or evidence for your claims.
    But on what basis should anyone take your claims seriously?
    If you believe in the Supernatural then you can become a millionaire!

    Questioning or criticizing another's core beliefs is inadvertently perceived as offensive and rude.

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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    The way we define reality is based on our understanding in this universe. You're not able to define reality in any other universe because of our ignorance of such.

    I simply gave the notion that there may be multiple realities, which are defined by their respective universes, which may or may not be similar to ours. Therefore the possibility of a different reality cannot be determined by our definitions of reality because it is not based on the same universe.

    Let's just ask you a simple question: Do you think it's possible that there are multiple universes?
    Our understanding of reality in no way defines the limits of reality. It only defiens our understanding of reality.

    Reality is defined as the entirety of things that exist.

    What you refer of as "multiple realities" is actually only multiple facets of a singular reality.

    When I refer to the word "reality" I mean it in the sense of the definition of the word: "all things that are real".

    If there is something real outside of our understanding, it is not less real than if it is within our realm of understanding.

    Also, you are using the word "define" wrong. Teh way we describe reality is base don our understanding of what it real. Teh way it is defined is inclusive of things outside fo our understanding.
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