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Thread: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    It disproves the most literal reading of the bible...
    Really? How so?

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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Really? How so?
    I'm no biblical scholar, but in terms of specifics it talks about the creation of the earth in a radically different way than it talks about the heavens. For example, the earth belongs to man but the heavans belong to god. And it describes the creation of the stars, planets, and moons “to divide the day from the night; and . . . for signs and seasons, and for days and years; and . . . for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth”. The idea that he created the rest of the universe so we'd have something to look at at night and then he just happened to pop life on there too seems weird. He sent his one son down to earth, but there is no talk of him doing a tour of other planets, etc. It doesn't seem very compatible with a literal reading of the bible. Plus other planets are just different. They have different religions, different length days, different color skies, maybe no seas at all, etc. Much of the literal text of the bible would be completely unapplicable there. So is the idea that they would have their own god and bible that is different? That seems pretty problematic... Or they would have no god? He never bothered speaking to them? That doesn't sound right...

    But, that doesn't really matter. People who read the bible ultra literally already have to do some pretty whacky mental gymnastics to get it to make any sense... ie- God created fossils to confuse us and test our faith... The literal bible read is already completely incompatible with science. Adding one more conflict to that list won't change anything.

    Somebody who reads the bible in a more metaphorical way could definitely deal with finding life on other planets, although finding intelliegent life would certainly be something that would require some consideration of what that means in terms of our place in the universe, how to relate to those people, etc, but that's all good.

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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    I'm no biblical scholar, but in terms of specifics it talks about the creation of the earth in a radically different way than it talks about the heavens. For example, the earth belongs to man but the heavans belong to god.
    Ok... but that doesnt preclude other life on other planets, it just means that, taken literally, this life belongs to God.

    The idea that he created the rest of the universe so we'd have something to look at at night and then he just happened to pop life on there too seems weird.
    "Seems weird" isnt "proof".

    He sent his one son down to earth, but there is no talk of him doing a tour of other planets, etc.
    So? The writers of the New Testament were witnesses to the events described therein. You cannlt expect them to have written about occourances on other planets...

    Plus other planets are just different. They have different religions, different length days, different color skies, maybe no seas at all, etc.
    Not sure how that matters.

    Much of the literal text of the bible would be completely unapplicable there. So is the idea that they would have their own god and bible that is different? That seems pretty problematic... Or they would have no god? He never bothered speaking to them?
    Again, not sure how that matters.

    But, that doesn't really matter. People who read the bible ultra literally already have to do some pretty whacky mental gymnastics to get it to make any sense... ie- God created fossils to confuse us and test our faith... The literal bible read is already completely incompatible with science.
    Not at all. God coule very well have created the earth in a manner that makes evolution appear to be sound.

    Heck -- if you fiddle with the length of a day, its entirely possible that God creatated everything -through- evolution.

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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Heck -- if you fiddle with the length of a day, its entirely possible that God creatated everything -through- evolution.
    That is the metaphorical sort of reading of the bible that I say can survive finding life on other planets just fine.

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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    If we can make video game engines, then a larger being can create the Universe.
    Sounds grand.

    Who made the larger being?

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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    One of the explanations I've read regarding the virgin birth part of the story is that in the particular sect Mary was reportedly a member of, a virgin was a woman who had not yet given birth, and not a woman who had not had sex.
    Do you people waste any time thinking before putting words out?

    If EVERY woman is a "virgin" until the first kid pops out, the there's absolutely NOTHING special about the origin of Jesus, and again, the whole basis of Christianity collapses.

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    It seems to me that many in the Christian community have moved away from practicing religion based on the "miracle" events, and have moved toward following some of the philosophy.
    Of course they are, in an enlightened age no rational person can swallow the biblical nonsense. But since church is an essentail facet of life for the weak minded, the churches have to move away from literalism to compete for customers.

    Never forget that religion is the oldest profession.

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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Sounds grand.
    Who made the larger being?
    What necessitates that something had to?
    For that matter, if there is an answer, what necessitates that it is an answer you can understand?
    Last edited by Goobieman; 11-12-09 at 02:13 PM.

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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Really? How so?
    Because if an interpretation is inconsistent with itself, it's false.

    If an interpretation is inconsistent with reality, it's false.

    The Bible, as written, is both internally inconsistent and falsified by external reality.

    Any honest reading of the thing will show this.

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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    The Bible, as written, is both internally inconsistent and falsified by external reality.
    Please, deomstrate.

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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    What necessitates that something had to?
    Nothing.

    What necessitates that some concsious entity had to create the Universe?

    Nothing.

    So what's the point of inventing god, when that theory only adds complexity without providing any useful or testable conclusions?

    The only point is that humans have memories before they have language or the references needed to comprehend the events around them, and thus all humans have this memory of the warm loving giant that cared for them....but those giants always vanish once the baby grows up.

    That's the wellsping of religion, infantile memories.

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    For that matter, if there is an answer, that necessitates that it is an answer you can understand?
    Yes.

    "Because" is not an answer.

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