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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Matthew 4:8 says: “Once again, the devil took him to a very high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world [cosmos] in their glory.”
    What if that mountain was Mons Huygens?


    I'm just pointing out that just because certain verbiage is used doesn't mean that only one possible explanation of meaning can exist.

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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Well, if you want to take the -literal- interpretation of those verses, your assertion is unsupported.
    Um no. Here I'll break it down for you.

    In Daniel 4:10-11:"the king “saw a tree of great height at the centre of the earth...reaching with its top to the sky and visible to the earth's farthest bounds.”
    Now first of all the center of the earth is the median distance between 3160 and 3954 miles under ground. Try and get a tree to grow there. And second of all it would be completely impossible to see this tree from "the farthest bounds" unless you were living on a flat earth.

    Matthew 4:8 says: “Once again, the devil took him to a very high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world [cosmos] in their glory.”
    On a spherical earth it is completely impossible to get to a high enough vantage point to see the entirety of the earth, I don't care how high you get there will always be one side of the earth that is opposite from your vantage point.


    The sun rises, and the sun goes down, and hastens to the place where it rises.
    -- Ecclesiastes 1:5
    The sun doesn't go down, and it doesn't rise, the earth rotates and spins around the sun.


    And the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, until the nation took vengeance on their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stopped in the midst of heaven and did not hurry to set for about a whole day.
    -- Joshua 10:13
    The sun doesn't move in the first place.

    He set the earth on its foundations, so that it should never be moved. -- Psalm 104:5
    This ones pretty self explanatory THE EARTH DOES MOVE!


    When the earth totters, and all its inhabitants, it is I who keep steady its pillars.
    -- Psalm 75:3
    So the earth is steady? No the earth rotates and circles the sun.

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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    What if that mountain was Mons Huygens?


    I'm just pointing out that just because certain verbiage is used doesn't mean that only one possible explanation of meaning can exist.
    I don't care how high you get, no matter what you can't get to a high enough vantage point to see the entirety of the earth, because the earth is a sphere thus one side will ALWAYS be unseen from the point which you are standing.

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    Cool Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post

    Why is that? I am not following?

    Are you saying that someone must believe a theory is true or false? For example, they can't be agnostic about it until it is supported to a degree they find reasonable for belief?

    All possibilties have to be believed as true?
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    I never was one to back from a mistake I made.

    Perhaps it is because I have faith in God and get a little frustrated by some of the athiest and intellectuals queestioning my faith .
    While some so called theories are often blured into fact although in fact there are still a theory, or speculation a beleif with no proof.
    Should my faith in God be concidered that much differant?
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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    I don't care how high you get, no matter what you can't get to a high enough vantage point to see the entirety of the earth, because the earth is a sphere thus one side will ALWAYS be unseen from the point which you are standing.
    Give it 12 hours or so if you are on Mons Huygens. The biblical statement didn't say it occurred all at once.
    Last edited by Tucker Case; 11-19-09 at 05:11 PM.

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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Um no. Here I'll break it down for you.

    In Daniel 4:10-11:"the king “saw a tree of great height at the centre of the earth...reaching with its top to the sky and visible to the earth's farthest bounds.”

    Now first of all the center of the earth is the median distance between 3160 and 3954 miles under ground. Try and get a tree to grow there. And second of all it would be completely impossible to see this tree from "the farthest bounds" unless you were living on a flat earth.
    This only indicates that there is a flaw in your interpreation of the term "center of the earth".

    Matthew 4:8 says: “Once again, the devil took him to a very high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world [cosmos] in their glory.”
    Where does it say this mountain was on Earth and that the view was of a single moment?

    The sun doesn't go down, and it doesn't rise, the earth rotates and spins around the sun.
    Yes. So? A description of events from the point of view of someone on the planet necessitates nothing.

    The sun doesn't move in the first place.
    Yes it does.

    He set the earth on its foundations, so that it should never be moved. -- Psalm 104:5
    This ones pretty self explanatory THE EARTH DOES MOVE!
    What is the "foundation" that the earth is "set" upon?
    Does it move from that foundation?


    When the earth totters, and all its inhabitants, it is I who keep steady its pillars.
    -- Psalm 75:3
    So the earth is steady? No the earth rotates and circles the sun.
    "Steady" has several meanings, not all of which have to to with litteral immobility.

    Was there anything else?
    Last edited by Goobieman; 11-19-09 at 05:13 PM.

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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    This only indicates that there is a flaw in your interpreation of the term "center of the earth".
    How is there more than one interpretation for the "center of the earth"?

    Where does it say this mountain was on Earth?
    Irrelevant, you still wouldn't be able to see the entirety of the earth because the earth is a sphere.

    Yes. So? A description of events from the point of view of someone on the planet necessitates nothing.
    And here I though it was from the perspective of the celestial dictator.

    Yes it does.
    Oh really now, and here I thought that the earth revolved around the sun.

    What is the "foundation" that the earth is "set" upon?
    Does it move from that foundation?
    There is no foundation, the earth is in constant motion, it not only rotates on its own axis, but it also revolves around the sun due to a bend in space caused by the immense gravity of a star.


    "Steady" has several meanins, not all of which have to to with litteral immobility.
    From the context of the quote it is clearly referring to a fixed point in space.

    Was there anything else?
    No I think you just about covered everything, you believe that center doesn't mean center, when you can't explain away a quote in plain English you chalk it up to "somebodies perspective", you believe that the sun rises and sets rather than being at a fixed point in space relative to a planet revolving on its own axis, and that the earth is set upon a foundation.

    Was there anything else?

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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Give it 12 hours or so if you are on Mons Huygens. The biblical statement didn't say it occurred all at once.
    Meh, don't like that one well then try explaining away Daniel 4:10-11:“...I looked and there before me I saw a tree of great height at the centre of the earth...reaching with its top to the sky and visible to the earth's farthest bounds.”

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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    How is there more than one interpretation for the "center of the earth"?
    Beats me -- but the fact is that you have illustrated why it cannot mean the point within the core. You interpret it to mean that point.

    Irrelevant, you still wouldn't be able to see the entirety of the earth because the earth is a sphere.
    I said:
    Where does it say this mountain was on Earth and that the view was of a single moment?
    Well?

    And here I though it was from the perspective of the celestial dictator.
    Does the verse you cite indicate this? Or is trhat your interpretation?

    Oh really now, and here I thought that the earth revolved around the sun.
    It does. But the sun moves as well.

    There is no foundation, the earth is in constant motion, it not only rotates on its own axis, but it also revolves around the sun due to a bend in space caused by the immense gravity of a star.
    Ah. Your interpretation.
    So "foundation" cannot mean "orbit"?
    Why not? Isnt the earth fixed in its orbit?

    From the context of the quote it is clearly referring to a fixed point in space.
    Ah. Your interpretation.

    No I think you just about covered everything
    i did. As I said -- your interpretation.

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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Meh, don't like that one well then try explaining away Daniel 4:10-11:“...I looked and there before me I saw a tree of great height at the centre of the earth...reaching with its top to the sky and visible to the earth's farthest bounds.”
    Easy. If it was tall enough it could be seen at both the poles and from both edges of the equator, which would be the farthest bounds of the earth. It doesn't say "visible from everywhere on earth" only the farthest bounds.

    Just because one interpretation means the earth is flat doesn't mean that all interpretations mean the same. And I'm actually doing this from a literal interpretation. That'd have to be one tall friggin' tree though.

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