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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Um the bible teaches that the earth is flat and that we live in a geocentric universe.
    It does? Cite the verse(s).

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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Please point out where in the Bible it says the "earth is flat?"
    In Daniel 4:10-11:"the king “saw a tree of great height at the centre of the earth...reaching with its top to the sky and visible to the earth's farthest bounds.”

    Matthew 4:8 says: “Once again, the devil took him to a very high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world [cosmos] in their glory.”

    Now I will show you how the Bible long before anyone knew pointed out earths true position in the universe...

    Job 26:7 "He it is Who spreads out the northern skies over emptiness and hangs the earth upon or over nothing."

    How could Job, more than 3000 years ago, possibly have known that God “hangs the earth upon nothing."
    The earth doesn't hang upon nothing it rotates around the sun due to a bend in space caused by gravity. Furthermore the bible does not depict the true place of the earth within the solar system let alone within the galaxy or the universe, it actually teaches that we live in a geocentric universe:

    The sun rises, and the sun goes down, and hastens to the place where it rises.
    -- Ecclesiastes 1:5

    And the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, until the nation took vengeance on their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stopped in the midst of heaven and did not hurry to set for about a whole day.
    -- Joshua 10:13

    He set the earth on its foundations, so that it should never be moved. -- Psalm 104:5

    When the earth totters, and all its inhabitants, it is I who keep steady its pillars.
    -- Psalm 75:3

    I know! It was a good guess.
    How in your mind that saying the earth hangs upon nothing (which it doesn't) equate to depicting the earth's "true position in the universe..."?

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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    If that were true a lot of theories would be nonbeleiveable.

    A lot of people working on theories would just throw up thier hands and walk away.

    Why is that? I am not following?

    Are you saying that someone must believe a theory is true or false? For example, they can't be agnostic about it until it is supported to a degree they find reasonable for belief?

    All possibilties have to be believed as true?
    If you believe in the Supernatural then you can become a millionaire!

    Questioning or criticizing another's core beliefs is inadvertently perceived as offensive and rude.

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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    He's going to point out passages regarding corners and foundations, watch.....
    No actually I pointed to the verse in which it is said that one would be able to see the entirety of the earth from a high enough vantage point and the one where it says that there is a tree at the center of the earth, the first is impossible on a spherical earth, and as to the second, the center of the earth is a ball is the median distance between 3160 and 3954 miles under ground.

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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    It does? Cite the verse(s).
    Flat earth:

    In Daniel 4:10-11:"the king “saw a tree of great height at the centre of the earth...reaching with its top to the sky and visible to the earth's farthest bounds.”

    Matthew 4:8 says: “Once again, the devil took him to a very high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world [cosmos] in their glory.”

    Geocentric universe:


    The sun rises, and the sun goes down, and hastens to the place where it rises.
    -- Ecclesiastes 1:5

    And the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, until the nation took vengeance on their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stopped in the midst of heaven and did not hurry to set for about a whole day.
    -- Joshua 10:13

    He set the earth on its foundations, so that it should never be moved. -- Psalm 104:5

    When the earth totters, and all its inhabitants, it is I who keep steady its pillars.
    -- Psalm 75:3

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    Cool Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    The "purpose" of proof. I don't think he meant to say that belief needed proof. Or have I misread?
    First of all you got something to ask about my post ask me not another poster.

    Second of all the point I was making whch apparently missed it's mark,and I will take the blame for that,

    Is that belefs or faiths should not be critisised solely on the absence of proof.

    Examples .

    1 there is no God because there is no proof that God exist only faith from the people that do and some writing that may be questionable.
    However people still beleive that God exist.

    2 God exist he talks with me I know for certain how a where and when he created everything I know his plans for the future of all living things

    Well no although I have faith in God I do not beleive nor have faith in this tyoe of beleif, fact is I don't know exactly how God works I have faitrh God does though.
    Now for the flip side.

    The universe and everything started with a BIG BANG in space, some have even documented the time.

    Well no cause according to natural law to have an explosion you need energy and matter.
    In the nothing of space there is no matter although I beleive in the process of evolution I do not beleive it started by an accidental explosion without the needed ingredients
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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Flat earth:

    In Daniel 4:10-11:"the king “saw a tree of great height at the centre of the earth...reaching with its top to the sky and visible to the earth's farthest bounds.”

    Matthew 4:8 says: “Once again, the devil took him to a very high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world [cosmos] in their glory.”

    Geocentric universe:


    The sun rises, and the sun goes down, and hastens to the place where it rises.
    -- Ecclesiastes 1:5

    And the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, until the nation took vengeance on their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stopped in the midst of heaven and did not hurry to set for about a whole day.
    -- Joshua 10:13

    He set the earth on its foundations, so that it should never be moved. -- Psalm 104:5

    When the earth totters, and all its inhabitants, it is I who keep steady its pillars.
    -- Psalm 75:3
    These might support your position, so long as you are very very loose with their interpretation.

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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    These might support your position, so long as you are very very loose with their interpretation.
    I'm not being loose with the interpretation I am interpreting it literally, the bible literally depicts a geocentric universe and a flat earth. It is you people who now want to extrapolate non-literal interpretations from plain English. Well then that's fine by me, so long as you admit that it is a work of fiction. Bad fiction.
    Last edited by Agent Ferris; 11-19-09 at 04:54 PM.

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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    No one was ever claiming it didn't happen.
    likewise, is no one claiming it did happen and is not myth?

    Only that certain parts may be mythical.
    how did you come to that conclusion? How do you determine which parts are mythical and which aren't?
    Intuition?
    If you believe in the Supernatural then you can become a millionaire!

    Questioning or criticizing another's core beliefs is inadvertently perceived as offensive and rude.

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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    I'm not being loose with the interpretation I am interpreting it literally
    Well, if you want to take the -literal- interpretation of those verses, your assertion is unsupported.

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