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Thread: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    That is the point I was making, sir.

    Absence of the proof that God exist does not prove that God does or does not exist.
    Then I am not sure why there is an issue here.

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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Establishing beliefs or truth is the only purpose of proof.

    You can have beliefs w/o proof.
    Proof might force others to believe something, but that belief can exist w/o that proof.
    The "purpose" of proof. I don't think he meant to say that belief needed proof. Or have I misread?
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    Cool Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Don't forget the other side of that coin. The one that theists are so quick to gloss over.

    Absence of proof is not evidence of truth.

    Considering that the default position is disbelief or non-belief then absence of proof is reason for disbelief/non-belief. Its not proof of truth or falsehood. But it is reason for not believing.
    If that were true a lot of theories would be nonbeleiveable.

    A lot of people working on theories would just throw up thier hands and walk away.
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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    The "purpose" of proof. I don't think he meant to say that belief needed proof. Or have I misread?
    Beats me.

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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Beats me.
    You're the one arguing with him
    Shouldn't you know what he's saying?
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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I guess I'm just not in touch with people who don't accept that there are mythical elements in the epic of Jesus to understand why you think this is a big deal.
    its not a big deal if Jesus' miracles are perhaps mythical and didn't really happen?

    Perhaps you're only exposed to literalism?
    I am not narrowly arguing against literalism.

    but if you don't actually attend church activities yourself it makes sense you wouldn't know that real people attend. If all you have are headlines and the extreme examples brought to this forum, then suddenly your posting history makes sense.
    My wife's mother is a pastor. I have plenty of discussions with her and the other leaders of their church. I attend church activities regularly as part of the family. Not to mention that I attended church weekly during my teens. I also belong to several other boards where a diverse set of Christian beliefs are debated. I am also an avid reader of philsophical and theological literature. I even attend university lectures and debates, most recently the lecture by apologists Ravi Zacharias, John Lennox and michael ramsden on "is faith delusional?"
    I am continually learning and don't claim to have perfect or infallible knowledge. But I probably have more knwoledge and a deeper understanding of the Christian religion than you do.

    So when you care to address my post rather than making personal attacks on me then please

    The story of Jesus and santa both contain mythical elements. Agree or disagree?

    Which parts of the story are mythical? Which are real? How do we know? Can we know?

    Or we can abandon this tangent until another time.
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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by factorial View Post
    1. Jesus said he came to fulfill the law, not that "old testament law must be fulfilled." Subtle difference.
    lol here it is again in plain English:



    "Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or tittle shall nowise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven."



    It could be easily argued that "fulfillment" of the law merely meant summarizing it as he did: 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'
    B.S., he clearly states that no one can break even the least of the old laws.

    This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments." That's not being a dick.
    Sorry but he clearly says don't break one tittle of the least of the old laws.

    2. The rest of the gospel you quoted can easily be understood to mean that Christ's coming and teachings would divide people--as it so plainly has, even in this thread. Also not dick-ish.
    Well in plain English he said that he comes not to bring peace but to bring war.

    3. There's an awful lot of scripture attributed to Jesus that is pacifist and centered on loving others. In general, an un-dick teaching.
    So you admit that the bible is completely contradictory. The damn thing can't even agree with itself. It's not even good fiction.

    Not that "the" Jesus was likely to have actually said most of the stuff in the Gospels anyway. Nevertheless, as someone who's read all of it many times, I just in general have to disagree that they are all the teachings of a dick.
    The central point of "believe in me or burn in a lake of hell fire for all eternity," sounds like a pretty dickish move to me.
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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    its not a big deal if Jesus' miracles are perhaps mythical and didn't really happen?
    No one was ever claiming it didn't happen.

    Only that certain parts may be mythical.

    I invite you to grow a thicker skin and discern between insulting your argument and insulting you personally.

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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Oh really?



    The Bible's different books were written from the perspective of the person writing it. It is many different books with many different authors.
    But Christians teach that it is from Gods mouth to the authors ears.

    Just because you don't understand the perspective of a story does not mean the rest of us don't.
    Well atleast you admit that it's a story as in fiction.

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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I just gotta ask...
    How do these things disprove the bible?
    Um the bible teaches that the earth is flat and that we live in a geocentric universe. In reality the earth is spherical and we don't live in a geocentric universe we are the third rock from the sun at the edge of the milkyway galaxy thus the bible is wrong thus it is disproven thus it isn't worth the paper its printed on.

    Pretty simple stuff really.

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