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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I don't know I ever denied such, but I certainly didn't admit to anything in the post you quoted
    you don't deny but you don't admit.. Hmmmm. I suppose being agnostic to a claim is acceptable.

    Do you want reason and evidence to no longer be agnostic?

    I guess if you wanted to argue that Jesus and Christmas are heavily commercialized I the modern day, I would agree,
    that isn't what I said at all.

    I said Jesus and santa both contain mythical elements.

    but I don't see what such an argument would have to do with discovering life on other planets.
    I was simply commenting on the tangent between you and Paris. The conversation about it is 3 posts long. You can look back at the train of thought quite easily if you must
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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Not at all. Belief can exist without proof, and faith depends on lack of same.
    really makes you wonder why you bothered to create this thread...

    You shouldn't ask about proof, when you don't think proof matters.
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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    really makes you wonder why you bothered to create this thread...
    You shouldn't ask about proof, when you don't think proof matters.
    I didnt say proof doesn't matter.

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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I didnt say proof doesn't matter.
    Does proof fortify your beliefs about religion? Does it do the same for Faith?
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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    you don't deny but you don't admit.. Hmmmm. I suppose being agnostic to a claim is acceptable.

    Do you want reason and evidence to no longer be agnostic?


    that isn't what I said at all.

    I said Jesus and santa both contain mythical elements.


    I was simply commenting on the tangent between you and Paris. The conversation about it is 3 posts long. You can look back at the train of thought quite easily if you must
    I guess I'm just not in touch with people who don't accept that there are mythical elements in the epic of Jesus to understand why you think this is a big deal.

    Perhaps you're only exposed to literalism? That's just a guess, I have no idea, but if you don't actually attend church activities yourself it makes sense you wouldn't know that real people attend. If all you have are headlines and the extreme examples brought to this forum, then suddenly your posting history makes sense.

    Garbage in, garbage out.
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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    Does proof fortify your beliefs about religion? Does it do the same for Faith?
    Proof negates faith.
    Proof necessitates belief.

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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Proof negates faith.
    Good, I agree.

    Proof necessitates belief.
    Wasn't that what Scourge was saying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scourge99
    Establishing beliefs or truth is the only purpose of proof.
    What is the difference between what you said and what he said?
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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    Wasn't that what Scourge was saying?
    What is the difference between what you said and what he said?
    Establishing beliefs or truth is the only purpose of proof.

    You can have beliefs w/o proof.
    Proof might force others to believe something, but that belief can exist w/o that proof.

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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    While I respect your choice to make that your own personal default position, please do not attempt to force that philosophical belief onto others
    I can't force any belief onto anyone. Much like I can't force anyone to believe in gravitation.

    I can only present reason and evidence as to why someone should believe these things.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    IMO, assuming an unproven belief is perfectly reasonable when doing so enables positive results
    If the unproven belief has proven results then its not unproven!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Even when those results do not even attempt let alone succeed in proving the assumed belief, assuming the belief in total absence of evidence is still perfectly rational.
    That doesn't make sense. If you have results that you know are caused by the belief then their isn't an absence of evidence.

    So which is it?
    1) You believe something because you know the desired results are caused by the belief.
    2) You believe something because you don't know the desired results are caused by the belief.
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    Cool Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post

    No. They do not, at least not any that have any credibility.

    That you have not proven something in no way means it has been disproven -- absence of proof is not proof of absence.
    That is the point I was making, sir.

    Absence of the proof that God exist does not prove that God does or does not exist.

    It's called faith look it up sometime.

    As far as "no they don't at least not any that have credibility".

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