Re: How can I have been, before I ever posted? Learn how chronology works...
Nonsense, how else would one know which god this person is claiming doesn't exist? Did anyone claim there was no Santa before he was thought up? Do you understand how a dismissal must chronologically follow a proposal?
An Atheist states, without provocation: There is no God.
There is no proposal to the contrary, implied or explicit, there is only his statement. The ONLY burden for anyone at this point is for the person making the claim to support that claim.
Who believes that everything is created by the laws of physics?
Some of those that argue there is no God.
"Everything" is an all-encompassing word.
And just how can one be deluded into thinking they have made a choice when they have not, neurologically speaking? Which part of the brain has been found to perform that task?
Beats me. Doesnt change the fact that if you believe that -everything- is created by the laws of physics, then you are forced to agree with the idea there is no such thing as free will as --everything-- is already set in stone -- and so, to then deliberatly and willfully think that you -do- have free will is necessarily self-delusional.
Well EVERYTHING isn't created by the laws of physics...
If not the laws of physics, then what?
And, really, its not MY argument that everything was created by the laws of physics - as I stated at the very very beginnigof this coversation I'm simply pointing out the implications of that position.
If you want to argue that this position is false, that's fine, but you'll need to then tell that to those who DO believe that everything is created by the laws of physics.
how can things pertaining to conscious beings be set in stone billions of years ago?
Think of an infinite billiard table, with a huge number of balls.
As soon as the cue breaks contact with the cue ball, the end position of every one of the other balls is pre-determined.
Scale up as necessary.
Nonsense, the existence of conscious beings contradicts that.
It cannot. "Everything" is all-encompassing.
What? Created "something"? A thought you mean, you had a "thought", electrical signals fired in your synapses, then you made a choice.
No. You didn't. Those impulses are all governed by the laws of physics, and controlled by same. The conditions that existed at the moment of the firing of the impulse that then created said impulse are there not because of anything you did, but because of a huge number of interactions all set in place by the laws as they goverened the results from the initial pulse of the big bang.
There is no choice, as choice creates something that is NOT created by the laws of physics, which is not possible if -everything- is created by the laws of physics.
All of this is explained in the study of neurology. Where did you get the notion that everything was decided at the big bang? Which scientist do you attribute this theory to? Because its utter straw-man for the scientific consensus, and my position.
Irrelevant to my point. Neurology is just chemistry, which is just physics.
To argue that you have some control over your neruology means that you, not the laws of physics, is creating something, an impossibility if -everything- is created by the laws of physics.
The laws of physics APPLY everywhere in the universe, but matter is not controlled by them.
Everything is governed, controlled and acts according to the laws of physics. Everything. No exception.
There are lots of physical laws, they are not a creative force... you're misunderstanding what they are and how they work.
Sure they are. Up until the advent of man, its impossible to argue that -anything- was created by anything other than the laws of physics - specificlaly., how they govern the interaction between mass and energy.
The sun? Created by gravity. The earth? Same.
Nothing was determined at the big bang regarding conscious beings.
Sure it was - as I said, 'everything' is all-encompassing.
No, no it hasn't; Unless you can quote to me where you answered the following question: Do you or do you not agree that we have free will?
I am not at all sure how you arent klar on this:
If everything is created by the laws of physics, then there can be no free will as to choose to do something is to create something that was NOT ceated by the laws of physics.