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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by creativedreams View Post
    The way I see God as a possibility is before the "big bang"

    It is a pandora's box to try and solve the biginning of everything.

    Yes we may have figured out the beginning of our Universe via a singularity and big bang........but something had to set up the energy to create the singularity.

    I have been working on some other theories for years and I do look at the possibility of a God or Higher Power beyond our Universe.
    Oh indeed, it can go in circles, though - who created God? so on, so forth.

    In the end we really just don't know - we have no clue.

    This, honestly, is like torture to human beings. The notion that there's something we cannot understand or figure out no matter how hard we try is sickening and stirs primitive emotions
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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    No it doesn't, unless you're an extreme literalist. In which case you'll insist that since Genesis only mentioned Adam and Eve, life on other planets couldn't have been created. And from there you'll suggest that NASA is involved in some vast secular conspiracy to destroy Christianity and is covering up the truth (just like with evolution).

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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Oh indeed, it can go in circles, though - who created God? so on, so forth.

    In the end we really just don't know - we have no clue.

    This, honestly, is like torture to human beings. The notion that there's something we cannot understand or figure out no matter how hard we try is sickening and stirs primitive emotions
    LOL........to put it simply....mind boggling!

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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by Toothpicvic View Post
    No it doesn't, unless you're an extreme literalist. In which case you'll insist that since Genesis only mentioned Adam and Eve, life on other planets couldn't have been created. And from there you'll suggest that NASA is involved in some vast secular conspiracy to destroy Christianity and is covering up the truth (just like with evolution).
    In regard to my religious beliefs - not to insult anyone's thoughts and faith, etc - but I feel that [the bible, etc] is, also, an attempt by early man to explain something they didn't understand.

    A volcano erupts on the top of a moutain, the little villiages are destroyed, countless people die.
    Why?
    . . . there come the need to lay blame, understand or know the "truth" behind it - surely there must be an answer, must be a way to solve it or stop it . . . and so early mankind started to sacrifice animals and other such offerings to keep the gods happy and to spare theirselves torment.

    The search for a "truth" has always been around - and placing the blame or fault on some other being who had powers to control or affect us in some way just made more sense, especially when the entier continent that they lived on wasn't even fully explored - let alone the world.

    In the last 3,000 years since the "literate" world started to progress we've come a long way. . . maybe we'll figure it out through space exploration - it took over 2,000 years for us to prove and believe that the earth was round.
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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    In regard to my religious beliefs - not to insult anyone's thoughts and faith, etc - but I feel that [the bible, etc] is, also, an attempt by early man to explain something they didn't understand.
    Interesting.......For years I looked at religion as the time when humans first became civilized to be the earliest form of a law.

    Man eventually evolved more and then took this religion and made real laws.

    I personally have theories on how when we transformed these religion guidelines into laws where we went wrong and how this has led to evolve society with low family morals.

    I can go on and on but I just wanted to state this.
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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Well, there are a couple of things to consider here.

    1. Where did all of this come from? The Big Bang. Well, that is great, where did the little pin head that exploded into the Universe come from? At some point all of this came from somewhere, and, although I do not profess to have the answers, at some point literally everything came from nothing (or a little super-SUPER massive pin head that just happened to be there -- what a coincidence!). At some point there is something else to this than physics.

    2. A literal view of the Bible, Torah, Scientology, whatever, will never work. However, life on other planets has nothing to do with the basic tenants of religion. "There is life on other planets? Well, so much for loving my fellow man. Now, I'll stop all payments to charity and, BTW, Honey, did you see where I put my AK?"

    Does life on another planet undermine extreme, ultra-orthodox interpretations of religion and the creationist version of the Bible in particular? Yep. That process has been going on for some time, and this is just one more rivet in the growing armor of evidence. Does that undermine religion though? Nope. Not at all. Does it undermine the main point of the Bible in the New Testament, the power of love and forgiveness? Nope.
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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Once the human ego is removed from the God experience, it makes much more sense that God flows through the entire universe and is connected to all things. All of these religious scriptures are written by men and cater to the male ego, with their limited earth-bound rules, ways of perceiving life and death, and their projections about the behaviors of God.

    All of the bickering between faiths is nothing more than a group of brothers and sisters fighting among themselves in the same damn house.

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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by gree0232 View Post
    Well, there are a couple of things to consider here.

    1. Where did all of this come from? The Big Bang. Well, that is great, where did the little pin head that exploded into the Universe come from? At some point all of this came from somewhere, and, although I do not profess to have the answers, at some point literally everything came from nothing (or a little super-SUPER massive pin head that just happened to be there -- what a coincidence!). At some point there is something else to this than physics.

    2. A literal view of the Bible, Torah, Scientology, whatever, will never work. However, life on other planets has nothing to do with the basic tenants of religion. "There is life on other planets? Well, so much for loving my fellow man. Now, I'll stop all payments to charity and, BTW, Honey, did you see where I put my AK?"

    Does life on another planet undermine extreme, ultra-orthodox interpretations of religion and the creationist version of the Bible in particular? Yep. That process has been going on for some time, and this is just one more rivet in the growing armor of evidence. Does that undermine religion though? Nope. Not at all. Does it undermine the main point of the Bible in the New Testament, the power of love and forgiveness? Nope.
    Nicely stated....

    I really like this statement!

    Quote Originally Posted by gree0232 View Post
    At some point there is something else to this than physics.
    Last edited by creativedreams; 11-13-09 at 09:15 PM.

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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    That's what I said
    Correction: "We're" is a contraction of we are, meaning in the present. We were is past tense.

    Therefore, what I said is not what you said.
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    Re: Does life on other planets disprove the BIble

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Now lets take a human from thousands of years ago who thinks the whole wold is what is around him. Now lets show him a giant flood in his area of the world.
    But when you look at the actual flood stories, very, very, very, very, very few of them have anything in common other than water. The source of water, the amount of damage, loss of life and reason for the flood differ extremely. Hard to say that Genesis flood myth is true in a literal sense when virtually no other culture shares the same story. True, floods occur all the time in history. That doesn't mean they were the same one.
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