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Thread: Longer school day for all to help disadvantaged kids do better?

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    Longer school day for all to help disadvantaged kids do better?

    What do you think? Obama was talking about expanding the school year. The reason, apparently, is to help the poor and minority kids and close the gap.

    So, should everyone have to go longer, or just those at risk?


    Will a longer school day help close the achievement gap? | csmonitor.com

    Charter schools like Alain Locke and KIPP schools (a network of some 80 schools that are often lauded for their success with at-risk students) have made big gains in closing gaps in student achievement, partly through expanded schedules. Other schools have been making strides, too notably in Massachusetts and in the New Orleans system.

    "If you want to look at schools where [the achievement gap is narrowing], they're saying they couldn't do it without the added time," says Jennifer Davis of the National Center on Time & Learning in Boston. "Even when you get good teachers into schools, you need added time."

    According to studies, low-income students lose more than two months of reading skills over the summer. One conclusion from the studies: More than half the achievement gap between lower- and higher-income students can be accounted for by the differential in summer learning opportunities.

    "It's over the summer months that disadvantaged kids fall behind," says Karl Alexander, a sociologist at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore. "If you have parents who themselves didn't succeed in school and aren't highly literate, kids aren't going to get those skills at home."

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    Re: Longer school day for all to help disadvantaged kids do better?

    No offense. But if you go into an American school today, they're all pretty disadvantaged.

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    If this doesn't reaffirm "stereotypes" I don't know what will. What we need is a system like Japan's.
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    Re: Longer school day for all to help disadvantaged kids do better?

    What is it about Japan's system that's better in your mind?

    Increasing schooling hours without sufficient funds and with a continual removal of arts ad emphasis being placed on science and tech., creativity declines. A society without creativity cannot innovate, which is why Japan is facing a crisis within the next decade.

    Keeping kids in school for more hours under the current militant system of receiving instruction and carrying out orders is not going to help our society in the long run. This assembly line for the middle class will not solve the future's problems.

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    Re: Longer school day for all to help disadvantaged kids do better?

    It's over the summer months that disadvantaged kids fall behind,
    This says a lot.

    It shouldn't be up to teachers and taxpayers to make up for piss-poor parenting. Many kids could get by and perhaps benefit from shorter school days and/or no homework. God, don't get me started on homework.

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    Re: Longer school day for all to help disadvantaged kids do better?

    The problem is not with the school day it's how uninterested the children are to the school day.

    Whenever I was in K-12 (like three years ago), there would be entire days where children and teachers alike would be so uninterested with the material. There's no opportunity (at least in the NC school system) for a teacher to be creative, or interesting with the mundane material.

    Public school crushes creativity before it can form in the student.

    "Year round schools" do better in N.C. (but the best year round doesn't do nearly as well as the best public school system in NC), on average, because parents who want their children to go to year round schools are going to take responsibility in their child's education.
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    Re: Longer school day for all to help disadvantaged kids do better?

    Year-round school and longer school days are both good plans. But we really do need to cut down-- way down-- on the amount of homework that's being assigned. It's counterproductive.

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    Re: Longer school day for all to help disadvantaged kids do better?

    I think there should be a longer school year for sure, cut into summer break a lot. But also, there has to be a fundamental shift in policies and funding of public education to have an effect. There's no reason why many inner city schools should be underfunded when suburbia public schools are well over funded. There's plenty of problems with the overall public school system and if we want to keep it, I think it needs a drastic overhaul.
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    Re: Longer school day for all to help disadvantaged kids do better?

    Why send kids to school for more hours when they're not learning anything right now? We need a major overhaul of the educational system in the U.S., not just throwing more money at an incompetent system and sticking kids in their seats for more hours. That's not going to solve anything.
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    Re: Longer school day for all to help disadvantaged kids do better?

    Stupid kids should get to go to summer school.

    If they're really stupid, they should be held back to repeat a year.

    Guess what? That's how things were when schools worked.

    Wanna know what really has to be done?

    Of course you do.

    What really has to be done is to raise standards of achievement back to their former higher levels, and start using that four letter f-word on report cards.

    "Your son f f f f FAILED second grade and will have to repeat the year. More effort on your part might have avoided this, but it's your kid, do what you want".

    And if a kid criminally violent or unrepentantly disruptive in class, kick his sorry ass out of school before they impede the learning of the students in the class.

    Elementary and high school teachers should have the same authority my physics TA had in college. First day in class there were two girls in the back, talking and laughing away...preventing the students in the class from concentrating on the lecture. So he said, "if you don't want to shut up, get out".

    The law requires the kids to be in class you say?

    Fine, collect all the trouble makers and put them in a class of their own where they can't interefere with the serious purpose of the school.

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    Re: Longer school day for all to help disadvantaged kids do better?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Stupid kids should get to go to summer school.

    If they're really stupid, they should be held back to repeat a year.

    Guess what? That's how things were when schools worked.

    Wanna know what really has to be done?

    Of course you do.

    What really has to be done is to raise standards of achievement back to their former higher levels, and start using that four letter f-word on report cards.

    "Your son f f f f FAILED second grade and will have to repeat the year. More effort on your part might have avoided this, but it's your kid, do what you want".

    And if a kid criminally violent or unrepentantly disruptive in class, kick his sorry ass out of school before they impede the learning of the students in the class.

    Elementary and high school teachers should have the same authority my physics TA had in college. First day in class there were two girls in the back, talking and laughing away...preventing the students in the class from concentrating on the lecture. So he said, "if you don't want to shut up, get out".

    The law requires the kids to be in class you say?

    Fine, collect all the trouble makers and put them in a class of their own where they can't interefere with the serious purpose of the school.
    Getting rid of the teachers unions would also go a long way towards improving our school system..... as it stands now, once hired, teachers can't be fired without a long and expensive process no matter how incompetent they are.

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