View Poll Results: Long school day to close achievement gap?

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  • Yes, every child should spend more time in school!

    11 29.73%
  • Only the children who need it should spend more time in school.

    9 24.32%
  • No one should spend more time in school

    4 10.81%
  • I can't stand Obama, he makes me sick with his grandiosity

    7 18.92%
  • I believe in unschooling. Schools are brainwashing institutions

    1 2.70%
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    0 0%
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Thread: Longer school day for all to help disadvantaged kids do better?

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    Re: Longer school day for all to help disadvantaged kids do better?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Mkay?
    Yes. Why do you suppose that changed?

    So unable to say why it was bigoted, partisan or for that matter
    Hardly. Given your well-demonstrated lack of honesty, you'd never admit to it regardless of the evidence presented, and as such, there's no sense in wasting the time.

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    Re: Longer school day for all to help disadvantaged kids do better?

    Well you do seem bigoted against Rednecks...


    But I agree...more shame in failure at school, and more shame as punishment in our correctional process. I think the world will be a better place.

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    Re: Longer school day for all to help disadvantaged kids do better?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Getting rid of the teachers unions would also go a long way towards improving our school system..... as it stands now, once hired, teachers can't be fired without a long and expensive process no matter how incompetent they are.
    That is not true. Once teachers have tenure it is more difficult to fire them but it is not much more lengthy than it is to fire any other professional. It requires the supervisor(principal) to document problems and that those problems have been discussed and that the teacher has not fixed the problem.

    On the other hand a non-tenured teacher can be fired for anything except race, religion, or gender. Beginning teachers are often thrown to the wolves, given the toughest classes and then little if any help from the principal. I've also seen good teachers who get great recommendations for the principal but are fired by the school board for reasons such as not giving a board member kid enough play time or failing a board members kid.
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    Re: Longer school day for all to help disadvantaged kids do better?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Total and utter BULL****. What we need are qualified teachers and a real curriculum that's worth a ****. We don't need longer hours. We need to teach our children information that's worth learning. Homeschoolers prove this every day by using less hours to get more done.
    How do you know that homeschoolers prove this? They are not required to take any standardized tests. The only ones who do tend to do in-school testing are those who are headed off to college, which is not a measure of the overall effectiveness of homeschooling.

    Try to know what you're talking about before you open your mouth.
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    Re: Longer school day for all to help disadvantaged kids do better?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    How do you know that homeschoolers prove this? They are not required to take any standardized tests. The only ones who do tend to do in-school testing are those who are headed off to college, which is not a measure of the overall effectiveness of homeschooling.

    Try to know what you're talking about before you open your mouth.
    Oh man, I knew this home-schooled kid at my Dad's house...and he was like 2 grades behind my little brother and sister in terms of general knowledge and critical thinking skills. It was kinda sad. :'(

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    Re: Longer school day for all to help disadvantaged kids do better?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    No offense. But if you go into an American school today, they're all pretty disadvantaged.

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    If this doesn't reaffirm "stereotypes" I don't know what will. What we need is a system like Japan's.
    Well yeah, it's easy to say that today, but just remember - one of our earliest presidents (I don't remember which one) didn't even know how to read until after he was elected to office (his wife was a teacher and taught him to read after he became president).

    So it's easy to bash the public school system, but if we didn't have it we'd have 100X as many illiterates as we do today.

    As for this article, I think that longer school years should be required for the disadvantaged, but not for students who meet their grade requirements.

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    Re: Longer school day for all to help disadvantaged kids do better?

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Oh man, I knew this home-schooled kid at my Dad's house...and he was like 2 grades behind my little brother and sister in terms of general knowledge and critical thinking skills. It was kinda sad. :'(
    Unfortunately, the "home-schooled" statistics are terribly skewed, we get to see maybe the top 5-10% of student scores, otherwise they're not required to tell anyone how they're doing, there's no controls whatsoever on what is taught or if *ANYTHING* is taught. A parent can use a 3rd grade textbook all the way up until the kid is in high school and nobody can stop them.
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