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    Re: Political 180

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Please Etheral....you are as partisan and opinionated as any poster on this site. Sorry.....just keeping it real.
    Opinionated? Certainly.

    Partisan? How could I be? I have no political allegiances, which means I don't have much to be partisan about.

    Apparently your definition of "partisan" simply means, "Doesn't like Barack Obama."

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    Re: Political 180

    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Loin View Post
    Yes we have, though they were at least 10 months and older, in the past. But truthfully speaking you know your own propensities and you have at least a modicum of control over your moods. Tonight's exercise of the same was quite refreshing. I can assure you it will help to persaude to the exact opposite effect that your prior approach did.

    To quote Patrick Stewart as Gurney Hallek, in a none too PC way, MOODS are the playthings of women and cattle.
    I'll take your word......and we probably will have more.
    Doesn't mean that we'll always disagree. I think sometimes people here have perceptions of other posters based on some of their posts...that may not be 100% accurate. I know that I have been wrong about some people here.
    If I am being honest about myself I would say this:

    Am I opinionated - absolutely...I think most of us are.
    Am I far-left - probably pretty close to being as far left as anyone here (except maybe a couple).
    Can I be unreasonable - sure
    Do I overstep the line - at times.
    Am I sometimes wrong - certainly....and I've admitted it several times here

    One thing I try very hard not to be is hypocritical...and I think that I am consistent in that vein.
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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    Re: Political 180

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Opinionated? Certainly.

    Partisan? How could I be? I have no political allegiances, which means I don't have much to be partisan about.

    Apparently your definition of "partisan" simply means, "Doesn't like Barack Obama."
    Sorry Eth.....you don't have to belong to a political party to be partisan. I hate to break it to you....but you are extremely partisan in your positions.
    Doesn't mean that it is bad. I am very partisan myself. However, I admit it....if you are partisan you shouldn't try to pass yourself off as open-minded and reasonable.
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    Re: Political 180

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I'll take your word......and we probably will have more.
    Doesn't mean that we'll always disagree. I think sometimes people here have perceptions of other posters based on some of their posts...that may not be 100% accurate. I know that I have been wrong about some people here.
    If I am being honest about myself I would say this:

    Am I opinionated - absolutely...I think most of us are.
    Am I far-left - probably pretty close to being as far left as anyone here (except maybe a couple).
    Can I be unreasonable - sure
    Do I overstep the line - at times.
    Am I sometimes wrong - certainly....and I've admitted it several times here

    One thing I try very hard not to be is hypocritical...and I think that I am consistent in that vein.
    Well as you know being able to admit you are wrong is a rare trait at a forum like this. Tell you what? Let us two agree to *actually* try to discern what each other is saying in the future? That could be a *real* start to communication, one which I would welcome. We can teach and learn from each other, I think.

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    Re: Political 180

    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Loin View Post
    Well as you know being able to admit you are wrong is a rare trait at a forum like this. Tell you what? Let us two agree to *actually* try to discern what each other is saying in the future? That could be a *real* start to communication, one which I would welcome. We can teach and learn from each other, I think.
    Agreed. And don't be afraid to take me to task if....when.....you think I'm being unreasonable. I think its good to be checked every now and then.
    But save it for the really unreasonable v. the just disagree....ok?
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    Re: Political 180

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Meaning....as long as you've been here....you views have been so far to the right that I doubt seriously that you ever had anything negative to say about GWB.
    Wow, so much nonsense, so little time...

    1. I'm "far right" on economic issues and "far left" on social issues, so your characterization of me as "far right" is not accurate.

    2. Bush was hardly representative of "far right" economic thought, and he certainly wasn't "far left" on social issues, so there wasn't much agreement between ol' Bush and I.

    3. I've said plenty (and I do mean plenty) of negative things about Bush, but since Barack Obama is the President now (you're aware of this?) I don't have much reason to critisize Bush, unless it is germane to the topic.

    In other words....its difficult for a Leopard to change its spots. (Its an old saying).
    I know what the saying means. It simply isn't relevant.

    I didn't vote for Bush. I wasn't supportive of his administration. I don't know what else to tell you.

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    Re: Political 180

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Wow, so much nonsense, so little time...

    1. I'm "far right" on economic issues and "far left" on social issues, so your characterization of me as "far right" is not accurate.

    2. Bush was hardly representative of "far right" economic thought, and he certainly wasn't "far left" on social issues, so there wasn't much agreement between ol' Bush and I.

    3. I've said plenty (and I do mean plenty) of negative things about Bush, but since Barack Obama is the President now (you're aware of this?) I don't have much reason to critisize Bush, unless it is germane to the topic.



    I know what the saying means. It simply isn't relevant.

    I didn't vote for Bush. I wasn't supportive of his administration. I don't know what else to tell you.

    Then perhaps I've misjudged you. I haven't seen many posts from you evidencing a socially liberal view. I very well may have missed them.

    If you are a fiscal conservative/social moderate in the Goldwater sense....then I think I may actually like you.
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    Re: Political 180

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Sorry Eth.....you don't have to belong to a political party to be partisan. I hate to break it to you....but you are extremely partisan in your positions.
    Doesn't mean that it is bad. I am very partisan myself. However, I admit it....if you are partisan you shouldn't try to pass yourself off as open-minded and reasonable.
    I'm quite open-minded. My opinions have changed a great deal since I've been a member of this forum.

    I used to favor a Federal ban on abortion. I no longer hold that position. My views on abortion have softened quite a bit.

    I used to think homosexuality was a kind of mental disorder and that it was a choice. I no longer hold either of those positions. I think homosexuals are fine people. I also think genetics play a large role in their sexuality.

    I used to think that the General Welfare Clause wasn't an actual authority to be acted upon by the government. I'm don't necessarily agree that it is but I certainly appreciate the arguments suggesting otherwise, especially those of Madison and Hamilton, which RNYC espoused.

    I used to be against any government welfare. Now I favor mandatory health coverage for all children. Hell, if I thought the government could actually do it right I would probably support UHC.

    Basically, you have no idea how open my mind is, and your accusations of partisanry are meritless and without substance.

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    Re: Political 180

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Then perhaps I've misjudged you. I haven't seen many posts from you evidencing a socially liberal view. I very well may have missed them.

    If you are a fiscal conservative/social moderate in the Goldwater sense....then I think I may actually like you.
    What do you consider socially liberal? In my opinion, it's resistance to legislating morality.

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    Re: Political 180

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    What do you consider socially liberal? In my opinion, it's resistance to legislating morality.
    I would pretty much agree with that.
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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