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    Re: Can a person be against Gay Marriage and not be a bigot?

    This is just more, "If you disagree with me, you're a douchebag" nonsense

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    Re: Can a person be against Gay Marriage and not be a bigot?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    This is just more, "If you disagree with me, you're a douchebag" nonsense
    That's such a disagreeable, douchebag thing to say.

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    Re: Can a person be against Gay Marriage and not be a bigot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Being against gay marriage does not make one a bigot.

    Being intolerant of those who are against gay marriage, on the other hand, does make one a bigot.
    You seem confused as to the definition of bigot.

    " a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance"

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    Re: Can a person be against Gay Marriage and not be a bigot?

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Being against gay marriage for Politically Incorrect reasons makes you a bigot...well, the left will probably find a way to call you a racist.

    That has sort of become a one size fits all defense for bigotry and racism... Not you neccesarily, but people seem to think they can just say stuff like "black people suck" and then whenever anybody points out that that is a racist thing to say, they come back with the "you liberals just think everything is racist because you can't argue the facts" or whatever... It's a pretty tired line at this point... Bigotry is a real thing. We call it out when we see it.

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    Re: Can a person be against Gay Marriage and not be a bigot?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    That has sort of become a one size fits all defense for bigotry and racism... Not you neccesarily, but people seem to think they can just say stuff like "black people suck" and then whenever anybody points out that that is a racist thing to say, they come back with the "you liberals just think everything is racist because you can't argue the facts" or whatever... It's a pretty tired line at this point... Bigotry is a real thing. We call it out when we see it.
    It's sad that racism has become a 'go-to' word. I blame the 'race card'.

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    Re: Can a person be against Gay Marriage and not be a bigot?

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    It's sad that racism has become a 'go-to' word. I blame the 'race card'.
    Certainly sometimes people do erroneously call something racism. But for every time I've seen that happen I see 10 cases where it is accurate. If somebody is saying things that get called racist say once every year or something, and they're convinced that whatever they said really isn't racist, hey, maybe they're right. But in my opinion, if somebody is saying things that people consider racist or bigotted every few days, then that's a real problem and something the person would be wise to take very seriously and to do some heavy self examination.

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    Re: Can a person be against Gay Marriage and not be a bigot?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Certainly sometimes people do erroneously call something racism. But for every time I've seen that happen I see 10 cases where it is accurate. If somebody is saying things that get called racist say once every year or something, and they're convinced that whatever they said really isn't racist, hey, maybe they're right. But in my opinion, if somebody is saying things that people consider racist or bigotted every few days, then that's a real problem and something the person would be wise to take very seriously and to do some heavy self examination.
    There are very, very, very few real racists left in america. Prejudice is the new Racist, and if we look at definitions of these words (Go back a couple decades when they weren't all blanket terms) you'll see there's a difference. Point is, we need to address issues and ignore name callers/name calling entirely. We're not children are we? (Hard glare at Joe Wilson and Alan Grayson)

    If someone says something prejudiced like: "Black folks sho' does love them that fried chickins" then be like, well Empirical evidence proves that while the average majority percentage of workers at KFC is African American, the consumption of friend chicken in these United States is performed by an 40% white, 40% black, some Mexicans, and a few Canucks.

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    Re: Can a person be against Gay Marriage and not be a bigot?

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    There are very, very, very few real racists left in america.
    Unfortunately that is not true. For example, if a black person and a white person both apply for the same job with the same resume, the white person is still two and a half times more likely to get an interview. That means racism is extremely widespread.

    I suspect that most those hiring managers who are choosing to interview the white applicant rather than the black one, despite them both having exactly the same qualifications doesn't even consciously think he is holding racist views, but certainly he is. In my opinion, that's why it is so important that people continue to call out racism when they see it- because a large block of people don't seem to be able to identify it in themselves.

    If the price of that is a few folks now and again getting falsely accused of racism, which is probably inevitable, then I guess that's the price we need to pay. Certainly that isn't as bad as allowing that kind of brutal racism to persist.
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    Re: Can a person be against Gay Marriage and not be a bigot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    I think that most people who are against gay marriage don't really know why they are against gay marriage, and thus don't speak out. That doesn't mean that they don't have legitimate concerns- and thanks admitting that those legitimate concerns exist.
    Yes, I'd say that's a fair assessment. On the other hand, if you can't articulate why you're opposed to something there's a very good chance that you simply don't have a very good reason for it.

    And it's easy for me to admit that legitimate concerns exist, because I do have a strong interest in marriage and preserving the sanctity of marriage. I understand being reluctant to change especially when the institution is severely and increasingly deprecated and when it has lost much of its original value because of previous liberal reforms.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Changing a legal definition which has been used for thousands of years and was not even disputed until very recently should not happen until society itself has accepted it, i.e. has put it to a 50 + 1 vote.
    Change the law and society will follow. Frankly, I don't believe anything important should ever be put before a "50% + 1" vote because the masses simply aren't responsible enough to pick their lawmakers wisely, much less to write their own laws.

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    It's too bad they can't see the brilliance behind the "you're either for gay marriage or you're a bigot" argument. Retards.
    Personally, I think it's too bad that people can't see past the issue of whether or not their position makes them a "bigot" to get to the issue of whether or not their position is right. Everyone's so up in arms about what things are called that they've forgotten about what they do.

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    Re: Can a person be against Gay Marriage and not be a bigot?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Unfortunately that is not true. For example, if a black person and a white person both apply for the same job with the same resume, the white person is still two and a half times more likely to get an interview. That means racism is extremely widespread.

    I suspect that most those hiring managers who are choosing to interview the white applicant rather than the black one, despite them both having exactly the same qualifications doesn't even consciously think he is holding racist views, but certainly he is. In my opinion, that's why it is so important that people continue to call out racism when they see it- because a large block of people don't seem to be able to identify it in themselves.

    If the price of that is a few folks now and again getting falsely accused of racism, which is probably inevitable, then I guess that's the price we need to pay. Certainly that isn't as bad as allowing that kind of brutal racism to persist.
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