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    Re: Can a person be against Gay Marriage and not be a bigot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Yes, a person can. I just haven't seen it yet.
    You dont seem to be looking very hard. Wasnt there a vote on this recently? What were the viewpoints involved?
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    Re: Can a person be against Gay Marriage and not be a bigot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I am asking the people who are pro gay marriage this question..........
    I am not pro-gay marriage but I still am going to state my opinion on the issue. I say yes a person can be against gay marriage and not a bigot, it doesn't mean that person hates gays. Bigotry can exist on both sides. Bigotry is merely the intolerance of any differing belief,creed or opinion and many pro-homosexuals and pro-gay marriage people fit that definition. So many of them are just as bigoted as those they call a bigoted.
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    Re: Can a person be against Gay Marriage and not be a bigot?

    Quote Originally Posted by akyron View Post
    Are you talking about congress? I agree if you are. Get rid of them! They have a ratio of rich like 40 times above the norm. It is a direct conflict of interest to be creating the laws making you rich.
    I speaking of anyone who believes that they are somehow entitled to rights/privileges while believing that they are somehow justified in denying those same rights/privileges to others.

    Our Country's history is full of examples of this...but eventually America comes around to get it right.
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    Re: Can a person be against Gay Marriage and not be a bigot?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Why not? If an entire society supports prison or death for homosexuals, the entire society is bigoted, easy as that.
    Um, prison/death for homosexuality is not the same thing as opposing same-sex marriage.

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Such as? Besides the ones cap mentioned
    I don't know what Orius was referring to but here's some copypasta from an argument I had on Facebook:

    Basically, that deciding to change the definition of something that has been the same for its whole existence of thousands of years opens up a can of worms wherein people can suddenly make marriage whatever they want it to be, such as incest, polygamy, bestiality, etc. In other words, that traditional society, which has been slowly evolving to better fit human needs for a long long time, is a more reliable source than a bunch of people arbitrarily morphing an institution because they think their way is better. I happen to disagree with parts of this argument, but it's certainly more compelling than "God hates fags".

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    Re: Can a person be against Gay Marriage and not be a bigot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Um, prison/death for homosexuality is not the same thing as opposing same-sex marriage.
    I know, I was responding to "Gay marriage wasn't even an issue until very recently. I somehow doubt that everyone who existed before the mere possibility of allowing gays to marry came up were bigots." I'm saying that entire society were bigoted. Do you disagree?


    I don't know what Orius was referring to but here's some copypasta from an argument I had on Facebook:

    Basically, that deciding to change the definition of something that has been the same for its whole existence of thousands of years opens up a can of worms wherein people can suddenly make marriage whatever they want it to be, such as incest, polygamy, bestiality, etc. In other words, that traditional society, which has been slowly evolving to better fit human needs for a long long time, is a more reliable source than a bunch of people arbitrarily morphing an institution because they think their way is better. I happen to disagree with parts of this argument, but it's certainly more compelling than "God hates fags".
    My main issue with that is that marriage has not been the same for thousands of years. Polygamy was the standard for quite a while, and where the woman and man fit into the relationship has changed over time too.
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    Re: Can a person be against Gay Marriage and not be a bigot?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    I voted 'no', but with some explanation. There is no legitimate reason to oppose gay marriage. Denying gay people marriage rights hurts gays and has no impact whatsoever on heterosexuals. So, supporting gay marriage bans could not be motivated by anything other than a desire to hurt gay people. That is clear cut bigotry.

    That said, I do believe that there are people out there who haven't thought the topic through all the way through. So, I guess opposition to gay marriage could be motivated by ignorance rather than bigotry, but with a big issue like this that directly effects people's lives and deals with fundamental principals of our constitution and whatnot people have a deep obligation to educate themselves about it.
    ^^^^^^^ this

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    Re: Can a person be against Gay Marriage and not be a bigot?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    I know, I was responding to "Gay marriage wasn't even an issue until very recently. I somehow doubt that everyone who existed before the mere possibility of allowing gays to marry came up were bigots." I'm saying that entire society were bigoted. Do you disagree?
    Well that's hard to say... I don't think we should apply modern judgments on past time periods... there's probably a lot of things that both you and I support that will be considered bigoted or barbaric or something in the future.

    In 60 years, when gay marriage is legal everywhere, I might think of considering those who want to abolish it as bigots. For now, they just don't see why this issue has so suddenly arisen in the first place.

    My main issue with that is that marriage has not been the same for thousands of years. Polygamy was the standard for quite a while, and where the woman and man fit into the relationship has changed over time too.
    Western marriage, or at least marriage in Christian cultures, has been the same for thousands of years. The roles of the man and woman, assuming that's what you're talking about, have nothing to do with the definition of marriage itself.

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    Re: Can a person be against Gay Marriage and not be a bigot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Well that's hard to say... I don't think we should apply modern judgments on past time periods... there's probably a lot of things that both you and I support that will be considered bigoted or barbaric or something in the future.

    In 60 years, when gay marriage is legal everywhere, I might think of considering those who want to abolish it as bigots. For now, they just don't see why this issue has so suddenly arisen in the first place.
    Please explain to me how people historically WEREN'T bigoted towards gays. Either you're bigoted or you're not. There's no relativity here.


    Western marriage, or at least marriage in Christian cultures, has been the same for thousands of years. The roles of the man and woman, assuming that's what you're talking about, have nothing to do with the definition of marriage itself.
    Now you're redefining terms.
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    Re: Can a person be against Gay Marriage and not be a bigot?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Please explain to me how people historically WEREN'T bigoted towards gays. Either you're bigoted or you're not. There's no relativity here.
    They were bigoted by today's standards. And since there's no relativity, then if people of the future decide that some of our views today are bigoted, both of us are bigots.

    "Either you're bigoted or you're not" is simplistic to the extreme.

    Now you're redefining terms.
    No, I'm just clarifying. Why should people care about the traditions of other cultures when it comes to their own traditions? When people talk about traditional marriage, they're talking about the tradition of their culture.

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    Re: Can a person be against Gay Marriage and not be a bigot?

    It is possible, there are, for instance, people who are against all marriages period. Those people are not bigots because they are not trying to give rights to one group of people while withholding them from others.

    However, anyone who is attempting to set up a disparity in who can get legally married, or set up a "separate but equal" system is indeed a bigot.
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