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    Re: Can a person be against Gay Marriage and not be a bigot?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I've explained it twice, at least, in this thread.
    If you're referring to "Argumentum ad antiquitatem" I don't see how it's relevant (the "the rights are the same" argument is different than the "because it's how it's always been" argument).

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    The lack of logic is saying that gays can marry anyone they want...of the opposite sex.
    A fact (so long as the other person is willing, of sufficient age, not related, not a second or third or fourth spouse, etc.)

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    This ignores why this is an issue in the first place: sexual orientation. Hence the reasoning, by ignoring the argument/issue completely, is illogical.
    Right. So the argument isn't illogical. It's only "illogical" (in a second-tier definition of the term) from a contextual view because it doesn't satisfactorily address the issue in the manner you've chosen to frame it.

    From the viewpoint that we should, as a state, encourage families that consist of one man and one woman, it's perfectly logical that all are afforded that same opportunity for whatever government consequences arise from that arrangement.

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    Re: Can a person be against Gay Marriage and not be a bigot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Then you've got no logical explanation for denying anybody the right, privilege(whatever it is Goobieman is calling it these days) to marry.
    It's not really an issue of "denying rights" it's an issue of whether or not the state should encourage such relationships. In other words, nobody is going to arrest you if you marry your same-sex lover, the state is just not going to recognize it as it would a heterosexual relationship.

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    Re: Can a person be against Gay Marriage and not be a bigot?

    Hey so, ya know....If two gay people get married or civilly-unified, and they have sex on their wedding night in a state that has laws that qualify it as Sodomy, can they be arrested for that? or do you have to catch em in the act? Does a Gay Honeymoon count as probably cause to bust in on 'em?

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    Re: Can a person be against Gay Marriage and not be a bigot?

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Hey so, ya know....If two gay people get married or civilly-unified, and they have sex on their wedding night in a state that has laws that qualify it as Sodomy, can they be arrested for that? or do you have to catch em in the act? Does a Gay Honeymoon count as probably cause to bust in on 'em?

    That's an interesting question, and almost mirrors exactly the circumstances that led to the striking down of miscegenation laws via the Loving case. The only difference being, it wasn't their honeymoon. But they were arrested in their bedroom.

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    Re: Can a person be against Gay Marriage and not be a bigot?

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    That's an interesting question, and almost mirrors exactly the circumstances that led to the striking down of miscegenation laws via the Loving case. The only difference being, it wasn't their honeymoon. But they were arrested in their bedroom.
    Hmmmm, well if we know it's illegal to perform these acts let's hurry and round up all the Butt Pirates and Rug Munchers and maybe that'll weaken their resolve!

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    Re: Can a person be against Gay Marriage and not be a bigot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The situation in CA teaches us that the issue is about validating an identity.

    In CA gays have the ability to share each and every single Civil Right as a married couple, with someone of the same sex, through Domestic Partnership. This is true even under Prop8.

    Yet gays want their identity validated with inclusion into "marriage". The legal buffs are secondary to this goal, and the welfare of the family a distant 3rd place.
    Just out of curiosity, where did you hear this information? From chatting with friends of mine who happen to be gay, they seem to want what heterosexual couples want when they involve themselves in a marriage - legal recognition, a family, and validation. All three of these you listed, and there is probably more. What I am curious about is how you somehow arrived at the conclusion that the 'welfare of the family' is a distant third, because i'd say this is incorrect. Furthermore, what homosexuals want in regards to marriage is what heterosexuals want as well, wouldn't you agree?
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    Re: Can a person be against Gay Marriage and not be a bigot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I am asking the people who are pro gay marriage this question..........
    I think that they "can" but I doubt that more than .5% of those against gay marriage actually are.
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    Re: Can a person be against Gay Marriage and not be a bigot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    It's not really an issue of "denying rights" it's an issue of whether or not the state should encourage such relationships. In other words, nobody is going to arrest you if you marry your same-sex lover, the state is just not going to recognize it as it would a heterosexual relationship.
    The state is in the business of protecting our rights, and if they are allowing some to marry and not others, or recognizing some and not others in a legal sense, then the state is being unequal in its distribution or rights and recognitions.
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    Re: Can a person be against Gay Marriage and not be a bigot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    The state is in the business of protecting our rights, and if they are allowing some to marry and not others, or recognizing some and not others in a legal sense, then the state is being unequal in its distribution or rights and recognitions.
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    Re: Can a person be against Gay Marriage and not be a bigot?

    Sure. I can understand how some allow dogma to overcloud their minds on this issue. I really feel there are some folks who are not mean spirited but they allow dogma to control how they feel about this and they really think in their minds they are doing the right thing.

    I cannot hate a person who has no ill intent towards gay people but feel that Gay Marriage is totally againist their Bible Teaching. I can understand it and coming from the South? I know a lot of kind hearted people who love gays but just do not think they should be able to marry. I disagree with them but respect they have every right to feel as they feel.

    And I am bisexual so no need to think I have some agenda saying this either.
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