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    Re: Can a person be against Gay Marriage and not be a bigot?

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    Re: Can a person be against Gay Marriage and not be a bigot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Freedom was never absolute as everyone has to abide by the rule of law.
    You're expanding the discussion Jerry. This isn't about whether or not you have to follow the law. It's about whether law should be changed.

    If you don't govern yourself (ie; self-limit your freedom) someone else will do it for you. Wouldn't you rather your freedoms be limited on your own terms?
    I'd rather 'freedom' not be limited as far as the gay marriage issue goes. It's a case by case thing Jerry.
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    Re: Can a person be against Gay Marriage and not be a bigot?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Of course it's a silly argument. And it's illogical, too. A straight person can marry someone that they want to, based on their sexual orientation. A gay person cannot. That's the distinction that those who make this argument omit...and why it is a silly and ridiculous argument.
    No, they can't.

    There are a host of other qualifications 2 heteros must meet in order to marry.

    As a hetero I never have had and do not have the right to marry just whomever I want of the opposite sex.

    Maybe we should create a right to marry the same-sex, but that in no way means such a right already exists today.

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    Re: Can a person be against Gay Marriage and not be a bigot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You're expanding the discussion Jerry. This isn't about whether or not you have to follow the law. It's about whether law should be changed.
    Right, so we can agree and have celerity here then.

    Gays do not want into an institution while leaving everything alone.

    They want to change that institution.

    Again, maybe we should change it, but let's at least have clarity that we are changing it and not simply stopping the denial of a right. We are creating that right.

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    I'd rather 'freedom' not be limited as far as the gay marriage issue goes. It's a case by case thing Jerry.
    Everyone plays by the same rules.
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    Re: Can a person be against Gay Marriage and not be a bigot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You're expanding the discussion Jerry. This isn't about whether or not you have to follow the law. It's about whether law should be changed.



    I'd rather 'freedom' not be limited as far as the gay marriage issue goes. It's a case by case thing Jerry.
    This isn't about whether or not you have to eat your vegetables, it's about whether they should be changed to other vegetables.

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    Re: Can a person be against Gay Marriage and not be a bigot?

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Life is like a video game engine. There are set rules programmed in, like physics, and then we have what we the players and end-users have additionally coded within the constructs of the game engine known as IRL. (in real life)

    Real Life has the best graphics, some of the best A.I.

    but the gameplay...leaves a lot to be desired...too many cheaters.

    Gay people are end-users of the same "engine" as Straight people.The most important question is: Is it compatible with our own "mods"? Will it affect game play on the realm? the server?


    Glossary:
    Mods = Modifications; that which we as human beings have created; Mods include anything in any way, shape or form that is not standard code to the engine called Life.
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    Re: Can a person be against Gay Marriage and not be a bigot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    No, they can't.

    There are a host of other qualifications 2 heteros must meet in order to marry.

    As a hetero I never have had and do not have the right to marry just whomever I want of the opposite sex.

    Maybe we should create a right to marry the same-sex, but that in no way means such a right already exists today.
    My argument is NOT whether or not this would be an added right. My argument IS that arguing from the position that "gays can still marry...just not someone of the same sex" is silly and irrelevant and does not take into consideration the reason this issue is an issue: sexual orientation. You know my position on this, Jerry. Just irks me to see people make silly arguments on this issue, either pro or con.
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    Re: Can a person be against Gay Marriage and not be a bigot?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Of course it's a silly argument. And it's illogical, too.
    How so?
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    A straight person can marry someone that they want to, based on their sexual orientation. A gay person cannot. That's the distinction that those who make this argument omit...and why it is a silly and ridiculous argument.
    Why does this make it "illogical?" We have lots of laws to encourage behavior that treat people differently.

    [BTW - a gay person can marry anyone they choose - what's at issue is whether that marriage needs to be recognized by the state, right?]

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    Re: Can a person be against Gay Marriage and not be a bigot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    How so?
    I've explained it twice, at least, in this thread.

    Why does this make it "illogical?" We have lots of laws to encourage behavior that treat people differently.
    The non-logic is not about rights or differences. The lack of logic is saying that gays can marry anyone they want...of the opposite sex. This ignores why this is an issue in the first place: sexual orientation. Hence the reasoning, by ignoring the argument/issue completely, is illogical.

    [BTW - a gay person can marry anyone they choose - what's at issue is whether that marriage needs to be recognized by the state, right?]
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: Can a person be against Gay Marriage and not be a bigot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Right, so we can agree and have celerity here then.

    Gays do not want into an institution while leaving everything alone.

    They want to change that institution.

    Again, maybe we should change it, but let's at least have clarity that we are changing it and not simply stopping the denial of a right. We are creating that right.
    You're distorting what I said Jerry. Marriage is not an institution. The Catholic Church is an institution. Universities are institutions. A police department is an institution. Marriage is contractual agreement currently defined as being between a man and a woman. What is being sought is the expansion of this definition to be between two willing participants. So yes, that would be a change in the law. But not the complete make over you want to paint it as.

    Everyone plays by the same rules.
    Only rules can and are usually bent, changed, expanded etc to match the evolution of a society.
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