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    Re: Can a person be against Gay Marriage and not be a bigot?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I love seeing this silly argument. Tell me...what if a man does not want to marry a woman but wants to marry a man? How is it then equal? Explain why that should be prohibited?
    Its not a silly argument, its a fact. If a man doesn't want to marry a woman, thats fine. There is no law saying he must.

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    Re: Can a person be against Gay Marriage and not be a bigot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    No one is stopping gays from associating with whomever they please, though.
    Some are stopping them from forming civil unions.
    The Makeout Hobo is real, and does indeed travel around the country in his van and make out with ladies... If you meet the Makeout Hobo, it is customary to greet him with a shot of whiskey and a high five (if you are a dude) or passionate makeouts (if you are a lady).

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    Re: Can a person be against Gay Marriage and not be a bigot?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    I can't believe how often seemingly reasonable people keep making this argument... It's so obviously ludicrous... To use my example above, it's like making a law saying that it is illegal to attend a Jewish temple and rationalizing it by arguing that it isn't discriminatory against Jews because they're still free to attend Christian Churches just like everybody else...
    I haven't yet seen this alleged "right" gays are being denied. Not once in 4 years on DP, never.

    Maybe we should create such a right, but it does not exist today to claim it is being denied.
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    Re: Can a person be against Gay Marriage and not be a bigot?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Some are stopping them from forming civil unions.
    The lack of a civil union does not, in any way, inhibit free association.

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    Re: Can a person be against Gay Marriage and not be a bigot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I haven't yet seen this alleged "right" gays are being denied. Not once in 4 years on DP, never.
    How do you "see" a "right" though, Jerry? Rights are really just opinions that our ancestors had that stuck and we believe it today.

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    Re: Can a person be against Gay Marriage and not be a bigot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I haven't yet seen this alleged "right" gays are being denied. Not once in 4 years on DP, never.

    Maybe we should create such a right, but it does not exist today to claim it is being denied.
    In real life they are being denied the right to marry. Constitutionally they are being denied due process and equal protection.

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    Re: Can a person be against Gay Marriage and not be a bigot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Like "factually inaccurate" wrong, or "disproved evidence" wrong, or "illogical interpretation" wrong, or any other hew of wrong you can dream up.

    What makes the point of view that homosexuality is some kind of error automatically bigoted? Why bigoted specifically?
    One of the reasons I can think of right off the bat - those who believe homosexuality to be 'wrong' aren't accepting of scientific studies that say homosexuality is not a mental deficiency; indeed, there is a wealth of accurate information out there, but for some reason this does not 'sway the masses'. We know individuals who are homosexual are as normal and well-adjusted as their heterosexual counterparts from a scientific and psychological standpoint. We know that homosexual couples are are as competent and loving of their children as their heterosexual counterparts. In all things, we see homsexual individuals and their couplings capable, yet we still have large swathes of people who refuse to acknowledge such a thing. Why? Given the wealth of unbiased, scientific information that has been provided on the issue, how many have disseminated that information and changed their opinion on homosexuality? And providing evidence that such anti-homosexual opinions are 'factually inaccurate' or that their interpretation is illogical often results in them simply reinforcing their position, specifically that something is 'wrong' with homosexuality, regardless of what any scientific or psychiatric study may say to the contrary.

    But even those who fancy themselves unprejudiced yet against gay marriage cannot accurately explain why their views should not be considered bigotry. They claim that there is 'nothing wrong with gay people', yet do not believe that homosexuals should have the right to marry someone of the same sex. They vehemently defend the so-called 'institution's right' over those who wish to participate in it, using such dubious claims as 'marriage is between a man and woman' without offering any justification for their original claim that they are not prejudiced. Nor do they think that addressing homosexuality in a school is acceptable, either (heterosexuality, on the other hand, is perfectly fine). If these people are truly unbiased and free of prejudice, then I cannot imagine why they would object to such a thing. Do they not believe homosexuals to be equal to their heterosexual counterparts, and therefore deserved of all rights and privileges accorded to the latter? If so, then they wouldn't have a problem with marriage equality.

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    Re: Can a person be against Gay Marriage and not be a bigot?

    Originally Posted by Crunch
    Got it.... so if a gay guy wants to marry a gay woman, he and she should have the same rights to do so as a straight couple.
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    He and she do have the same rights.
    I'm aware of that.... so how is a ban on gay marriage taking the rights away from gays that heterosexual people enjoy?

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    Re: Can a person be against Gay Marriage and not be a bigot?

    Quote Originally Posted by MiddleoftheRoad View Post
    Its not a silly argument, its a fact. If a man doesn't want to marry a woman, thats fine. There is no law saying he must.
    Straight people are allowed to marry people they find attractive. Gay people are not. Obviously you already know that though...
    Last edited by teamosil; 11-08-09 at 03:25 PM.

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    Re: Can a person be against Gay Marriage and not be a bigot?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Straight people are allowed to marry people they find attractive. Gay people are not. Obviously you already know that though...
    What the problem is, gays are first wanting to redefine the concept of marriage, then they want to claim they are being denied one of their basic rights.

    They are as free to marry a person of the opposite sex as anyone else.... that is what marriage is.

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