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Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

Terrorist or Not

  • Yes, A terrorist Attack

    Votes: 38 54.3%
  • no

    Votes: 32 45.7%

  • Total voters
    70
Good to hear it.

Now, for those who realize he was invoking the name of Allah as he killed people and had previously expressed solidarity with Islamist terrorism, this intransigent, knee jerk position that lacks anything resembling analysis might be slightly less comforting.

The guy was flippin' nuts. How's that for an intransigent, knee jerk position?

If he said Jesus H Christ as he mowed down a ton of people would he be a Christian terrorist?

"A terrorist plot was not behind the Texas army massacre that left 13 people dead, including a pregnant woman, detectives have said."http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Wo...t-Plot-Detectives-Say/Article/200911215444031
 
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If he said Jesus H Christ as he mowed down a ton of people would he be a Christian terrorist?

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If he had a history of supporting Christian groups involved in terrosm, used Christianity as the basis for his actions and invoked the name of Jesus while doing so, it wouldn't be considered terrorism as I have already outlined above, but that is only because of the targets chosen. Were the targets civilian, then yes, without a doubt.
 
If he had a history of supporting Christian groups involved in terrosm, used Christianity as the basis for his actions and invoked the name of Jesus while doing so, it wouldn't be considered terrorism as I have already outlined above, but that is only because of the targets chosen. Were the targets civilian, then yes, without a doubt.

Detectives have already stated this was NOT a terrorist plot.
 
Even if it was, he failed miserable.

Horrible terrorist is horrible.

Well, I don't know. It was pretty terrifying.
I'm sure it struck terror in the hearts of every family with a loved one stationed at Ft Hood.
It caused minor repercussions at other military bases across the country as well.
 
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Don't be afraid. They can smell fear...just as you can smell their B.O.

If your child were stationed at a US military base when this occurred, as mine is, you would be afraid too.
One imagines there is more security than this, on military bases.
One also hopes that if a soldier exhibits signs of mental illness, he or she will receive help.
It hardly inspires confidence when the very people who are supposed to be doing the diagnosing and treating are going on shooting rampages.
 
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If your child were stationed at a US military base when this occurred, as mine is, you would be afraid too.
One imagines there is more security than this, on military bases.
One also hopes that if a soldier exhibits signs of mental illness, he or she will receive help.
It hardly inspires confidence when the very people who are supposed to be doing the diagnosing and treating are going on shooting rampages.

Understandable worries, maybe we need to raise the bar for who we let into the Service?
 
Understandable worries, maybe we need to raise the bar for who we let into the Service?

Haha.
If they "raised the bar", my kid wouldn't be in it, and then I'd have even more worries.

:lol:

I'm sure Major Hasan, American-born and with impressive educational credentials, would still get in no matter how high they raised the bar.
All raising the bar would do, would be to keep the uneducated working-class young people who are the backbone of our fighting forces out.
 
What we need to do is not worry about isolated incidences of violence at a military base.

In the end you are more likely to die in a car accident.
 
Haha.
If they "raised the bar", my kid wouldn't be in it, and then I'd have even more worries.

:lol:

I'm sure Major Hasan, American-born and with impressive educational credentials, would still get in no matter how high they raised the bar.
All raising the bar would do, would be to keep the uneducated working-class young people who are the backbone of our fighting forces out.

While foot soldiers are nice...I think we need some epic artillery. I've been working on a modern 'Paris Gun' of sorts that will utilize a sub-orbital warhead-shell (Missiles are too easily shot down) that can be fired from either Coast and hit distances of up to....well Uzbekistan. Though my attempts to get Government funding for the project, Codenamed Fist of an Angry God, have been unsuccessful, once I get a more refined blueprint I think we could see these bad boys in production within the next 5 years.
 
Ahhhh. Okay, I see where you were coming from (I think;)), but I don't know how many average Joes are aware of just what the Patriot Act entails. Most Americans are so busy just getting by and trying to have a good life that they don't pay attention to details, especially when it sounds like a patriotic thing going on in DC. In all honesty, I suspect "we aint seen nothing yet".

Yeah. Most people are trying to keep a roof over their heads and food on the table. I am sure learning about the Patriot Act is not on the top of the list of things to do when you are worried about keeping the lights on.
 
Many of the tribal religions of days gone by were nothing about control from what I can tell, but more about reverence, luck, meaningfulness and celebration or rites of passage. Mass religion has tended to make it about control, but after many years of questioning the validity of religion or even the need for it, I currently think there may be a necessity for it in some aspects regarding maintaining civility in large populations. I'm not 100% convinced yet, but I do tend to value its importance more than I did, say, 30 years ago.


But isn't mans law enough? Why do we really need religion? I think a lot of weak people need religion to use as a crutch. It gives em something to believe in and makes em feel important.

Has religion done more bad than good? Think about all the people who have been killed in the name of religion.
 
Good to hear it.

Now, for those who realize he was invoking the name of Allah as he killed people and had previously expressed solidarity with Islamist terrorism, this intransigent, knee jerk position that lacks anything resembling analysis might be slightly less comforting.

I been reading about how he told other doctors that non-believers should be beheaded and have boiling water poured down their throats. If true? It did have something to do with his religion in his messed up mind. :(
 
But isn't mans law enough? Why do we really need religion? I think a lot of weak people need religion to use as a crutch. It gives em something to believe in and makes em feel important.

A lot of weak people need law's too. And what's wrong with someone who wants to believe in fairies and cosmic Jew zombies that make it possible for them to have an awesome afterlife playing video games in the ****ing clouds. It seems to me that you can spin Theism or Atheism either way and have fun, it's not OUR job to judge other people, it's OUR job not to be total douchebags to those around us, and I think most religions and some of Man's laws will support this claim.


Has religion done more bad than good? Think about all the people who have been killed in the name of religion.

It's done its fair share of both. And how much has Capitalism killed? Socialism? Communism? Maoism? Simple love of money and land? I'd say that Man's ideals can be far more dangerous than his religions. it's one of the reason's I'm still on my religious crutches to this day.
 
Detectives have already stated this was NOT a terrorist plot.

But could it not be defined as a terrorist act? Maybe not a plot where it was premotivated but a spur of the moment act?
 
I been reading about how he told other doctors that non-believers should be beheaded and have boiling water poured down their throats. If true? It did have something to do with his religion in his messed up mind. :(

If it's in that order, then Muslims make no damn sense. Their procedures and their symbolism/holy metaphors are out of whack.
 
What we need to do is not worry about isolated incidences of violence at a military base.

In the end you are more likely to die in a car accident.

Of course people should worry about this considering that the FBI and our so called good government failed the families of these victims and if we do not worry and look into it? This could happen again. I mean he was on the FBI watch list for **** sake! :(
 
Of course people should worry about this considering that the FBI and our so called good government failed the families of these victims and if we do not worry and look into it? This could happen again. I mean he was on the FBI watch list for **** sake! :(

Yep. We can't afford to pass **** off as "maybe" anymore. That ended in 2001.
 
One imagines there is more security than this, on military bases.

From what I've read, I got the impression that this occured in a medical clinic, so I wouldn't expect increased security in that particular location, but I'm not ex-military, so I don't really know for sure.

One also hopes that if a soldier exhibits signs of mental illness, he or she will receive help.

One of the articles I read today on the MSNBC site said that one of his peers had noticed what seemed like some irrational expression of thoughts and beliefs, but was hesitant to take it up the chain of command for fear of being perceived as "anti-Islamic" (or something along those lines). The PC aspects of society are probably filtering through the military ranks, if I had to guess.

It hardly inspires confidence when the very people who are supposed to be doing the diagnosing and treating are going on shooting rampages.

That is one of the primary reasons I am hesitant to declare this is "terrorism" as opposed to the mental breakdown of an unstable individual, albeit his religious beliefs probably played into the course of action he took.
 
If your child were stationed at a US military base when this occurred, as mine is, you would be afraid too.

Indeed - not just a family member being stationed, but the fact that civis are on and off bases all the time, too, makes this disturbing - not all killed in this terrorist attack (or massacre if you please) were soldiers.

One imagines there is more security than this, on military bases.
One also hopes that if a soldier exhibits signs of mental illness, he or she will receive help.
It hardly inspires confidence when the very people who are supposed to be doing the diagnosing and treating are going on shooting rampages.

This is true - and the military has several programs and countless people who are suppose to do exactly that, and they do their job well ... but obviously there's more to it than meets the eye.

They have the psych-Dr's to monitor the soldiers, but who monitors the psych-Dr's? - This definitely shows some cracks in the sytem and, obviously, they're VERY serious.
"Terrorist attack" or not - this problem is quite serious and needs to be addressed immediately.

This current situation highlights some major problems that has never been dealt with before. My husband, for example, has to reassign for reevaluation all of his troops who were evaluated by Hasan and given the 'clear' to continue duty.
 
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Of course people should worry about this considering that the FBI and our so called good government failed the families of these victims and if we do not worry and look into it? This could happen again. I mean he was on the FBI watch list for **** sake! :(

Oh give me a break. People die in crimes and accidents all day long. One guy went nuts, it happens at schools etc.

So typical "it's the government!" Lets not put the blame where it belongs. Squarely on the shoulders of the nut case that did it. This has nothing to do with a watch list, you are still innocent until proven guilty. What were they supposed to do lock him up for no reason? Welcome to thought crime folks, you heard it here first!
 
Yep. We can't afford to pass **** off as "maybe" anymore. That ended in 2001.

Thought crime again! Go for it, start arresting peopel or detaining them for thinking about terrorism or being on a watch list.

O beautiful for spacious skies,
For amber waves of grain.....
 
Thought crime again! Go for it, start arresting peopel or detaining them for thinking about terrorism or being on a watch list.

O beautiful for spacious skies,
For amber waves of grain.....

At some point thought DOES become 'probable cause' or 'imminent danger' among other things - when it comes to soldiers this is crucial. You're mental balance and focus is extremely important in regards to deployment and functioning on the battlefied.

He wasn't a regular doctor - he was cleared for deployment and if he was having obvious problems in the US then what would have happened if he DID deploy?

A soldier might not show signs of "being homicidal" or "suicidal" - but still be considered unstable enough ot the point that *more* stress could cause too many problems. It's just a fact that going TO a theater of war CAUSES problems even with people who were squared away before they left.

We're not talking about civilian issues, here - we're talking about military duties and the unique problems tied directly with it's nature. There's a huge difference. While it might not be such a concern to intervene with a civilian who had these types of issues it is important to do EXACTLY that for a deploying member of the military.
 
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Psychologically, we teach soldiers to marginalize and hate the enemy. What if a Muslim is being taught to kill Muslims? Wouldn't that drive him nuts?

Not only that but he is uniquely singled out to counsel traumatized vets who have returned from the Iraq war with all their unfinished business about Iraq Muslims and terrorists.
 
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