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Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

Terrorist or Not

  • Yes, A terrorist Attack

    Votes: 38 54.3%
  • no

    Votes: 32 45.7%

  • Total voters
    70
Oh good Christ; not another "Catholics aren't real Christians" proponent.
Who do you think the original Christians were? :roll:
You Protestants are Johnny-come-lately's.

Converted Jews would be the correct answer. No Catholic church existed, it was just Jesus preaching.

Get your history together 10! :mrgreen:
 
I don't go to mass as I am not a Catholic.

I was raised Catholic, baptized and had my first holy communion, confirmation at Our Lady of Peace in Chicago.

That was more rhetorical and sarcasm lol

As I grew older and studied the Bible, I realized 2nd church or not, they got allot of things wrong according to scripture. From praying to dead people (necromancy) to statues (idles) praying to them or not makes them no less idles. The bloody history of the leadership of the church did not help.

Yeah, I know being raised Catholic sometimes makes it harder for you to believe the Church than if you're a Non-Catholic, that's one of my beefs is how Catholicism turns people off to it. But seriously? Necromancy? Idols? C'mon that's superstition and slander against the Catholic Church. I was completely taken aback at how many Baptists think that we're:
1) Witches and
2) we worship Mary.

They HONESTLY thought this, as in their PARENTS or PASTORS taught it to them.

As soon as the Pope can do the miracles of the Apostles, I will follow his word over the scripture. Until that time he is just a man who has no right to change God's word.

As if other Christians haven't proclaimed they can do (and 'perform) miracles?


They are, but for the sake of argument I differentiate the two. As I said no insult was intended.

Yeah, discussing religion, especially inter-christianity is a slipper slope


No I am not an "Evangelical" at all. I am closer to a run of the mill Baptist.

Thank GOD.

My only beef with the Catholic church outside of it's un-Christ like history is it's not following biblical precedent vs man's traditions.

There's a mix of both, and it in no way really damns anybody anymore than other traditions of Christianity. For example, we still practice Grace through Thought AND Action. Baptists do not to the best of my knowledge. Thus my major beef with Protestants is the amount of stuff they leave out, and the amount of stuff they add in. That and I had a little run in with an English teacher at Campbell University (A Southern Baptists School, I should have known they'd have that much of a problem with a Catholic. :lol:)

I agree, I think both churches have it wrong.

Everyman should read the Bible for himself and not let the traditions of mans church dictate his religion.

We still should have a solid, unifying leadership or, again, we end up with what happened during the reformation to present.

Again I agee. No argument here.

We're on a roll here!!!

Irrelevant. They were not of nor condoned by God, period. It was man, not God or the Bible that set any of the atrocities in motion. It was the greed and ambitions of man perverting God's word.

Unless someone hears God for themselves, then nothing they believe is condoned by him, they're merely taking it all in faith. How can we prove it? The Bible is one of the most contested books in history, is it not? I know it's borderline blasphemy to say it but, Faith alone is not proof to anyone but yourself.

Again the Koran says to convert via the sword, the Bible does not, period.

I'm pretty sure the old testament has some verses, and while that's not the basis of Christianity, it's still in the Bible. I also THINK (Not for sure) Jesus was quoted in Matthew about a sword (Some crazy evangelical kid at Campbell was quoting scripture), but that was more a metaphor than an actual, "hey, I'm coming back with a sword if you don't convert" statement. lol. I was just discussing the Koran, and a friend of mine says the Koran doesn't say to initially convert at sword point and conversions are welcome at any time. but I'll believe that when they put the swords down...



You said it, not me. ;)

I still don't know what I said that is was blanketing anyone.
 
Bush made what we consider "terrorist" a whole new ballgame.
 
It's all Bush's fault!

I really am not one of those blame everything on Bush folks.. But.. You must admit that our views on terrorism changed under the Bush Admin.
 
I really am not one of those blame everything on Bush folks.. But.. You must admit that our views on terrorism changed under the Bush Admin.

Banks' views about giving high risk loans changed under the Clinton administration, Should we blame him for how we perceive housing meltdowns?
 
No, terrorists made what we consider terrorists a whole new ball game.

What I meant was that under Bush the whole meaning of Terrorist become way more relaxed. If the law or gov. suspect you a Terrorist? You pretty much have no chance in reguards to basic rights.
 
What I meant was that under Bush the whole meaning of Terrorist become way more relaxed. If the law or gov. suspect you a Terrorist? You pretty much have no chance in reguards to basic rights.

I wouldn't really use the term relaxed, but just because it happened under his administration didn't mean it was him. 9-11 could have happened with Gore just as easily.
 
Labels have shifting meanings. Language is fluid. It really doesn't matter to me whether he gets the specific label of terrorist or not. I still think that there is a sizable element within Islam that encourages violence in the name of Allah against infidels.

Makes me wonder that if he is slapped with that label? Could this open a door to change in our military?
 
See, while Christian religious texts encourage violence, the majority stopped being violent and actually practice the 'turn the other cheek' strategy (Ya know, Kill 'em with kindness.) Islam is the other way around, they practice what their scripts say and only a few of them have progressed to the worldwide community idea of tolerance of religions not their own.

Ever heard of Fred Phelps? :shock:
 
Ever heard of Fred Phelps? :shock:

I believe i mentioned the WBC in one of my earlier posts. Also, that's just a scam under the guise of religion. it's a family of cutthroat lawyers who make money off the government every time one of their rallies is interrupted. Look it up.

Which is why I say if you can't take out at least 2 of them per rally, don't bother annoying them cause they'll just get their payment and be back next time.
 
That is not true at all. Christian texts do not nor have they ever condoned conversion by the sword. That was man warping the OT into something it is not.

Do not blame the Bible for being used for unintended purposes.

Totally offtopic but the entire basis of the Christian religion is based on conversion by a PIT OF FIRE! Do you not see the irony in your post? You are talking about a religion where its GodHead says convert or I will send you to Hell! :2razz:
 
Totally offtopic but the entire basis of the Christian religion is based on conversion by a PIT OF FIRE! Do you not see the irony in your post? You are talking about a religion where its GodHead says convert or I will send you to Hell! :2razz:



My little brother uses that one. Likely people who say that are mad their parents forced them to spend one hour a week in church, and if you think THAT was bad...
 
Those are not considered cannon, sorry that does not float. Hell, anyone can right a letter from a position of authority, does not make it religious text.



And this has something to do with the teachings of Christ how? I mean that is what you follow or you are not a Christan.

As I said much evil has been done in the name of God, for mans own purpose.

But the Bible is full of evil.

I guess it depend on how one defines evil but the religion is totally messed up.
 
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I won't accept your apology because there's no need for one. It's all gravy baby. :D It's actually a common misconception (or shall I say prejudice); Religion isn't the main, or driving, reason for terrorism. A front maybe, but the real reason is control. Control by an essentially smaller or weaker force over a larger one by means of fear.

Religion is all about Control dude! So they go hand in hand.
 
Religion is all about Control dude! So they go hand in hand.

You'd think that, but...I'm a walking example of the contrary. I'm very religious and very much free. mainstream religion maybe, but not all religion, certainly not all sects of religion either.
 
The OT does not apply to Christians in any way. It is the old covenant with Gods chosen people, not gentiles. Any biblical scholar or practicing Jew can tell you that.



You made a sweeping generalization about the Christian religion which is in fact not true. I don't need to bring anything new.

The Bible pretty much spells out to forgive and not kill for conversion, pretty simple.

If the OT does not apply to Christians in any way then why is it even in the Bible? :confused:

The OT very much does apply to them considering that it is the basis of that religion. lol.
 
I really am not one of those blame everything on Bush folks.. But.. You must admit that our views on terrorism changed under the Bush Admin.

I'm not sure that our views changed in response to Bush being president. It could have just been that so many people were killed while he happened to be in office, and we got a more graphic look at what terrorism entails on a really personal level.
 
I'm not sure that our views changed in response to Bush being president. It could have just been that so many people were killed while he happened to be in office, and we got a more graphic look at what terrorism entails on a really personal level.

For people who do research and don't believe propaganda, the views didn't change. For those that listen to everything they hear on the Infotainment shows and love a good scapegoat, their views changed a lot.

:lol:
 
Oh good Christ; not another "Catholics aren't real Christians" proponent.
Who do you think the original Christians were? :roll:
You Protestants are Johnny-come-lately's.

I am a Catholic actually. That is Catholic doctrine I was giving you.
 
You'd think that, but...I'm a walking example of the contrary. I'm very religious and very much free. mainstream religion maybe, but not all religion, certainly not all sects of religion either.

You are one who has not allowed Dogma to overtake your freedom. Kudos:)
 
Perhaps organized religion is, but I don't think the general concept of
"religion" is about control.

But isn't the basis of most religions about control in some ways? Even some alt. religions have a somewhat control vibe?

Mankind really messed up religion as a whole. :(
 
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