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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Reducing the access of guns to the mentally disturbed would help accomplish that through more thorough background checks for gun purchases.
    Most of the "mentally disturbed" don't have a background to check unless they have a criminal record, which would most likely prevent them from getting guns in the first place. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm not under the impression that a mental health history is part of any background check.

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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Most of the "mentally disturbed" don't have a background to check unless they have a criminal record, which would most likely prevent them from getting guns in the first place. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm not under the impression that a mental health history is part of any background check.
    From the reports that have surfaced about Hassan and Cho, there seems there was much evidence that both had dangerous mental problems.

    That kind of info should be available in background checks for gun purchases. That is what is lacking in our current system of background checks.
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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    That kind of info should be available in background checks for gun purchases. That is what is lacking in our current system of background checks.
    Since medical records are kept strictly private, I doubt they could be used for that purpose, and rightfully so imo.

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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Since medical records are kept strictly private, I doubt they could be used for that purpose, and rightfully so imo.
    I agree - it would be abused and would single out people who are probably no real threat at all, just ill.

    Hasan isn't a psycho, though - the warning signs weren't him beating his neighbor's or killing their puppies, you know. His warning signs were non-medical. Behavior and attitude.
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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    But behavior and attitude can't be put on a person's "profile" included in a background check, can they?

    If my neighbor acts weird, is strangely obsessive or reclusive, or displays a strong dislike of government, individuals, or specific groups, but he does not do anything illegal, he can't be treated as suspect just for those traits.

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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Well go to Great Britain and ask them how they like not having guns. Then compare the two. You may find that it's a much nicer place for you, and you can stay there til we fix the gun laws here.
    I suppose it's not as bad as telling somebody to move to France, when they don't even speak the language, but unless they have family and job opportunities over in Britain, that's just a nonsensical thing to say. It would be disadvantageous for most people to get up and move to another country, even if they disagree with some of the laws in this country.

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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Since medical records are kept strictly private, I doubt they could be used for that purpose, and rightfully so imo.
    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I agree - it would be abused and would single out people who are probably no real threat at all, just ill.

    Hasan isn't a psycho, though - the warning signs weren't him beating his neighbor's or killing their puppies, you know. His warning signs were non-medical. Behavior and attitude.
    Declarations of violence should be exempted from privacy rules IMO. I have no problem with someone not being allowed to purchase a weapon who has made violent declarations.

    If we continue to allow it we should not be surprised when they carry through with their declarations with a gun we allow them to purchase legally.
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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Declarations of violence should be exempted from privacy rules IMO. I have no problem with someone not being allowed to purchase a weapon who has made violent declarations.

    If we continue to allow it we should not be surprised when they carry through with their declarations with a gun we allow them to purchase legally.
    I believe they already are. I cannot recall the case, it is a famous one, but there was a psychiatrist who had a patient who mentioned he had the desire and means to kill a specific woman. The psychiatrist tried to have the man committed, and took no further action when that failed due to confidentiality. The man did go and kill that woman, and the psychiatrist was at fault because confidentiality is secondary to preserving life. The psychiatrist had a duty to tell the police, and/or the woman herself.

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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiveUninhibited View Post
    I believe they already are. I cannot recall the case, it is a famous one, but there was a psychiatrist who had a patient who mentioned he had the desire and means to kill a specific woman. The psychiatrist tried to have the man committed, and took no further action when that failed due to confidentiality. The man did go and kill that woman, and the psychiatrist was at fault because confidentiality is secondary to preserving life. The psychiatrist had a duty to tell the police, and/or the woman herself.
    That may be vital to preventing future murders, getting that info linked to the background check system, not to mention to the law enforcement agencies.
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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    From the reports that have surfaced about Hassan and Cho, there seems there was much evidence that both had dangerous mental problems.

    That kind of info should be available in background checks for gun purchases. That is what is lacking in our current system of background checks.
    There's a reason it's called a "Background Check" and if the court had filed the paperwork about his COURT ORDERED therapy or whatever, then it would have shown on a background check.

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