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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Of what value is monitoring if that info is not put to use to protect the public?

    Reducing the access of guns to the mentally disturbed would help accomplish that through more thorough background checks for gun purchases. Until then people should not be surprised at the shooting sprees that occur. That was the findings after the VT shootings and I am confidant that will be the findings from the Fort Hood shootings.

    What harm do you see from more thorough background checks?
    Yes, obviously the current regulations aren't rigid enough - I agree with that.
    But strict regulations aren't going to keep things from happening in some situations. I don't feel that regulations would have affected Hassan at all. If he was willing to kill that many people and take bullets for his cause I'm sure he' d be just as likely to be a suicide bomber, too.
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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Yes, obviously the current regulations aren't rigid enough - I agree with that.
    But strict regulations aren't going to keep things from happening in some situations. I don't feel that regulations would have affected Hassan at all. If he was willing to kill that many people and take bullets for his cause I'm sure he' d be just as likely to be a suicide bomber, too.
    So your solution to prevent similar shooting sprees is.......what?
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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    So your solution to prevent similar shooting sprees is.......what?
    In particular to Hasan - When they first had evidence to investigate him - they should have followed through with that thoroughly and they should have removed him from his current possition IN the military.

    There were obvious signs that he wasn't squared away - and they ignored them. It's fact, now, undeniable. They favored being PC over being safe.

    They have the means in place to examine soldiers - that, actually, was Hasan's job. He was the psychologist and he examined soldiers and cleared them for duty.
    There are countless programs and measures in place to monitor soldiers who fall under the higher-ranking commands.
    Likewise - there should be extra measures in place for those who *are* higher-ranking in command.
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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    In particular to Hasan - When they first had evidence to investigate him - they should have followed through with that thoroughly and they should have removed him from his current possition IN the military.

    There were obvious signs that he wasn't squared away - and they ignored them. It's fact, now, undeniable. They favored being PC over being safe.

    They have the means in place to examine soldiers - that, actually, was Hasan's job. He was the psychologist and he examined soldiers and cleared them for duty.
    There are countless programs and measures in place to monitor soldiers who fall under the higher-ranking commands.
    Likewise - there should be extra measures in place for those who *are* higher-ranking in command.
    Yes it appears the military has some problems in their chain of command it needs to address for mentally deranged in their ranks, and any info gathered should be be accessible for background checks to purchase guns.
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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Yes it appears the military has some problems in their chain of command it needs to address for mentally deranged in their ranks, and any info gathered should be be accessible for background checks to purchase guns.
    Only, opponents would argue that such things violate a right to privacy and that having such things still wouldn't keep weapons out of the hands of the deranged.

    It might bar a few people, but not most. In Hasan's case there were extensive known warning signs that were intentionally ignored. If a person cannot qualify for a weapon then they, surely, wouldn't qualify to posses one in a military environment, either.
    All in all - to avoid this situation, they should have just outed him in the beginning. Of course, then he'd be a risk to society at large and not just the military so, in that regard, there was nothing they could have done at all.

    However, for regular people there's no "mental-evaluation intervention." - Most people are never psychologically examined.

    Idealy - it sounds great. Logisticly, it's impossible to impliment.
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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Here's the actual study, for those who would rather see the facts as opposed to the spin.

    Findings:

    *Al Qaida's approval rating among American muslims is a whopping 5%.

    *"Overall, 8% of Muslim Americans say suicide bombings against civilian targets tactics are often (1%) or sometimes (7%) justified in the defense of Islam."

    *78% say suicide bombings are never justified.

    *"Seven percent of Muslims overall say that the [9/11] attacks were the result of a conspiracy involving the United States government or the Bush
    administration. Very small proportions hold others responsible, including individuals other than Muslims (1%),[or] Israel or Jewish interests (1%)" [ed note: That's a lower incidence of Trutherhood than for all Americans]

    *Most Muslims in the U.S. express optimism that a balanced solution to the Israeli- Palestinian conflict can be found. Indeed, 61% of Muslim Americans say that “a way can be found for Israel to exist so that the rights and needs of the Palestinian people can be taken care of,” compared with 16% who say that the rights and needs of Palestinians cannot be taken care of as long as Israel exists. In this regard, the opinions of U.S. Muslims closely resemble those expressed by the U.S. public as a whole [of which 67% say they can exist together while 15% say they cannot].

    *"A large majority of Muslim Americans believe that hard work pays off in this society. Fully 71% agree that most people who want to get ahead in the United States can make it if they are willing to work hard."

    *"The survey shows that although many Muslims are relative newcomers to the U.S., they are highly assimilated into American society. On balance, they believe that Muslims coming to the U.S. should try and adopt American customs, rather than trying to remain distinct from the larger society. And by nearly two-to-one (63%-32%) Muslim Americans do not see a conflict between being a devout Muslim and living in a modern society."
    There is a problem with your poll/survey of muslims. In order to accept the result of said poll we must first examine Islam and the doctrine of deceit. I am posting a link to study of Islam as it relates to this subject. It covers Islamic Political Doctrine, Duality (contrdictions in the early Qur'an written in Mecca and the later Qur'an written in Medina and why they are both right). Dualistic Systems, and Deception and Deceit.

    Please take the time to read it. I promise it will help you and others to have a better understanding of Islam.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/religi...post1058366134

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    Bin Maslama then said, "Give me permission to deceive him with lies so that my plot will succeed."
    Mohammed replied, "You may speak falsely to him."
    Last edited by SgtRock; 11-15-09 at 12:18 PM.
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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    If Fort Hood was a terrorist attack then every mass shooting in the US is a terrorist attack.
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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    If Fort Hood was a terrorist attack then every mass shooting in the US is a terrorist attack.
    Definition of Terrorism Terrorism Definition | Definition of Terrorism at Dictionary.com

    ter·ror·ism (těr'ə-rĭz'əm)
    n. The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

    Do you believe Timothy McVeigh was a terrorist? He had one cohart Terry Nichols and no ties to any terrorist organization. He was however considered to be a terrorist by the federal government of the USA. The Above definition describes Tim McVeigh and in my opinion and the opinion of the majority of American people Nidal Hasan also fits the definition of a terrorist.
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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    That was the finding after the VT shootings. After the Fort Hood investigation is completed we will know if it was a factor there as well.

    Why are you so opposed to thorough background checks for gun purchases? What's the downside???
    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brady_Handgun_Violence_Prevention_Act]Wikipedia[/ame]

    We already have background checks and waiting periods.

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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    If Fort Hood was a terrorist attack then every mass shooting in the US is a terrorist attack.
    Really? Really? I don't believe I can facepalm hard enough, sir.

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