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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    I mean they both raised a number of red flags and we're either unmonitored as Cho was (He had court appointed therapy or some **** that he didn't go to on more than one occasion) and this Hasan guy was clearly raising red flags all over the place for being off his rocker.
    Neither should have gotten a gun. Cho was certifiable and documented and Hassan was being tracked by FBI. Our system failed in both instances.

    I find it hard to believe that a Soldier in the Army would not pass a background check.
    You'd be surprised. However, Hassan had a SECRET clearance from our Govt. That should disturb you more. But if the big, mean Army would have taken it away because Hassan was a radical, it might have hurt his feelings.

    I bought a pistol at the exact same store Hassan did about two years ago. It took all of ten minutes to get screened and cleared. I did it on a lunch break from work.


    As for Cho...where did his guns come from again?
    He walked into a gun shop and bought them.

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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    Neither should have gotten a gun. Cho was certifiable and documented and Hassan was being tracked by FBI. Our system failed in both instances.
    Yes, our gun control laws leave much to be desired. Do you think this event will have any effect on them?
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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    I mean they both raised a number of red flags and we're either unmonitored as Cho was (He had court appointed therapy or some **** that he didn't go to on more than one occasion) and this Hasan guy was clearly raising red flags all over the place for being off his rocker.

    And they both got their guns without proper background checks? I find it hard to believe that a Soldier in the Army would not pass a background check. As for Cho...where did his guns come from again?

    On Cho:

    "Cho held a green card, meaning he was a legal, permanent resident, according to federal officials. That meant he was eligible to buy a handgun unless he had been convicted of a felony."

    "Virginia State Police Superintendent Col. W. Steven Flaherty said Tuesday afternoon that both guns were purchased legally in Virginia."

    No dubious means here.
    So court ordered therapy should not raise any red flags during a gun purchase?
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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Yes, our gun control laws leave much to be desired. Do you think this event will have any effect on them?
    Well, the smaller the system, the more effecient, so there should be "federal" and "state" lists for no-gun personnel. I believe in gun rights. But, for handguns, I see nothing wrong with having the waiting period. The background checks aren't good enough, obviously.

    In Cho's case, he should have been flagged as mentally unstable. But he is granted privacy for medical records. His therapist should have the power to call the cops and get a flag on his record in the national database or something.

    Hassan, well, I explained that one already. PC FBI and Army Officers to scared to call a spade a spade. Soldiers get clearances pulled all the time, for menial ****, in many cases.

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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    Well, the smaller the system, the more effecient, so there should be "federal" and "state" lists for no-gun personnel. I believe in gun rights. But, for handguns, I see nothing wrong with having the waiting period. The background checks aren't good enough, obviously.

    In Cho's case, he should have been flagged as mentally unstable. But he is granted privacy for medical records. His therapist should have the power to call the cops and get a flag on his record in the national database or something.

    Hassan, well, I explained that one already. PC FBI and Army Officers to scared to call a spade a spade. Soldiers get clearances pulled all the time, for menial ****, in many cases.
    In Cho's case, when did court orders become private. Seems like the sort of thing that should pop up in a thorough background check.

    In the case of Hassan, the FBI and the Army officers findings should have also popped up in a thorough background check.

    Very similar failures in the background checks required for gun purchases in both cases.
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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    In Cho's case, when did court orders become private. Seems like the sort of thing that should pop up in a thorough background check.
    Any mental diagnosis is confidetial, he was a self-referral, IIRC.

    In the case of Hassan, the FBI and the Army officers findings should have also popped up in a thorough background check.
    There weren't any finding b/c they were to scared of PC backlash to do anything.

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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    Any mental diagnosis is confidetial, he was a self-referral, IIRC.

    There weren't any finding b/c they were to scared of PC backlash to do anything.
    "In the aftermath of the Virginia Tech massacre, Virginia Governor Tim Kaine convened a panel consisting of various officials and experts to investigate and examine the response and handling of issues related to the shootings. The panel released its final report in August 2007, devoting more than 30 pages to detailing Cho's troubled history. In the report, the panel criticized the failure of the educators and mental health professionals who came into contact with Cho during his college years to notice his deteriorating condition and help him. The panel also criticized misinterpretations of privacy laws and gaps in Virginia's mental health system and gun laws. In addition, the panel faulted Virginia Tech administrators in particular for failing to take immediate action after the first shootings."
    Seung-Hui Cho - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The FBI and the military are afraid to report criminal actions? Or were there no criminal actions to report?
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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The FBI and the military are afraid to report criminal actions? Or were there no criminal actions to report?
    That's the problem. There were not. But conditions existed where these two didn't need guns. Cho, I understand slipping through the cracks.

    Hassan? No.

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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    That's the problem. There were not. But conditions existed where these two didn't need guns.

    Didn't need guns? How would either have been able to kill so many without guns?


    Cho, I understand slipping through the cracks.

    Hassan? No.
    I see no difference between the two cases in that respect.
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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    So court ordered therapy should not raise any red flags during a gun purchase?
    If he had purchased the handgun illegally from that shop, they would be pressing charges against the shopkeeper. Are they pressing charges against the shopkeeper?

    It's not gun control laws that are the problem, it's once again the system being either 'overburdened' or simply bureaucrats and state employees not doing their job. But for all the Cho's how many handgun applications are turned down? Does anyone ever want to view the flip side? I bet if you searched hard enough, called the Bureau of Justice Stats, or called a local Agency you could find something pertaining to the number of handgun requests that are turned down. These rare and tragic incidents should not be used to vilify the other millions of gun owners that follow the law.
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