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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Either you believe what the Bible says or you don't.

    If you believe in God but call his laws superstition, what does that say about your religion? Or even your faith?
    That's a low blow, calling someone else's faith a superstition?

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    They have, and they are no less false profits.
    Point is no one religion is free of corruption.


    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    OK, but I am not Baptist and they are wrong as well. Nothing should be added or taken away. Either it is biblically sound or it is not.
    Baptists are an offshoot of Protestantism, very similar core beliefs, lots of parallels too. And yes, We shouldn't tamper with it, simply interpret it as genuinely as possible.


    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Can't happen as long as man ignores the word for his own.
    Get used to it. That's Man for ya.


    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    You are trying to say the Bible is not correct? It covers everything you need to be a good Christian, period. Everything else is not biblical and is not from God.
    And you're trying to say the OT has no bearing on Christianity...I don't care what branch of Christianity you're from, that's borderline heresy.



    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    You are talking about Matthew 10:34-39

    Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it."

    He was not saying literally a sword. He was talking about what would happen with the advent of this new religion.

    Context is a hell of a thing.
    yeah I believe I said that it wasn't in the right context.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    "See, while Christian religious texts encourage violence, the majority stopped being violent and actually practice the 'turn the other cheek' strategy (Ya know, Kill 'em with kindness.)" - EpicDude86

    Absolutly not true.
    So I blanket termed Christian Religious Texts. You want me to apologize to them? Or do you want me to take back what I said about "The majority" who stopped being violent?


    About that Matthew verse:

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    but that was more a metaphor than an actual, "hey, I'm coming back with a sword if you don't convert" statement.
    Last edited by EpicDude86; 11-08-09 at 01:46 AM. Reason: Adding quote of myself

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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Actually I do. As you said earlier: "The OT does not apply to Christians in any way"


    So, by your account, most of these books have no bearing on Christianity (And I will list books found in bibles used by both Catholics and Protestants)

    Genesis
    Tobit
    Ezekiel
    Exodus
    Judith
    Daniel
    Leviticus
    Esther
    Hosea
    Numbers
    1 Maccabees
    2 Maccabees
    Joel
    Deuteronomy
    Amos
    Joshua
    Job
    Obadiah
    Judges
    The Psalms
    Jonah
    Ruth
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    Micah
    First Samuel
    Second Samuel
    Ecclesiastes
    Nahum
    Song of Solomon
    Habakkuk
    First Kings
    Second Kings
    Wisdom
    Zephaniah
    Sirach
    Haggai
    First Chronicles
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    Isaiah
    Zechariah
    Jeremiah
    Malachi
    Ezra
    Lamentations
    Nehemiah
    Baruch
    You have never read the OT have you? I am willing to bet you have not.

    Subtract the genealogy's, Jewish law, historical details about Israel and you really have very little outside of "insite into the nature of God, and some of the Commandments. You know their are more than ten right? Oh did I mention King Solomons songs?

    I did not say it was irrelevant, I said it has little to no bearing outside what I mentioned.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    You have never read the OT have you? I am willing to bet you have not.

    Subtract the genealogy's, Jewish law, historical details about Israel and you really have very little outside of "insite into the nature of God, and some of the Commandments. You know their are more than ten right? Oh did I mention King Solomons songs?

    I did not say it was irrelevant, I said it has little to no bearing outside what I mentioned.
    First off:
    "The OT does not apply to Christians in any way" =/= "Has little to no bearing outside what I mentioned"


    Secondly:
    Yes, let's remove the useless 'fluff' and historical references and get to the nitty gritty. That sounds like the Christianity I know and love. Though since you don't think Catholics are Christians, then I can see how you'd believe this. In which case, fine by me that's your belief.

    If that's how you see it, however, then I'm assuming you'd like to remove some stuff from the NT as well?

    P.S. I took an Introduction to the Old Testament class, and discussed both Testaments somewhat in Christianity class at Campbell. Occasionally I'll read the books to try and find any interesting tidbits of information.

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    "The first step in liquidating a people is to erase its memory. Destroy its books, its culture, its history" --Czech historian, Milan Hubl

    You'd have us neglect the parts of the OT that some would say are easiest to prove? The Histories?
    Last edited by EpicDude86; 11-08-09 at 02:29 AM. Reason: Forgot mah Hubl!

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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    This thread has totally derailed off topic...

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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    This thread has totally derailed off topic...
    Yeah, but I don't think it's really going anywhere atm anyways.

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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Yeah, but I don't think it's really going anywhere atm anyways.
    Yes pretty much. It is not like the red herrings you have put forth in the last couple of replies have any bearing on what I said. They also have nothing to do with your original and erroneous blanket statement.
    Last edited by Black Dog; 11-08-09 at 10:43 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    First off:
    "The OT does not apply to Christians in any way" =/= "Has little to no bearing outside what I mentioned"
    The first is taken out of context of your statement and the second comment was referring to a completely different statement.

    Nice try.

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Secondly:
    Yes, let's remove the useless 'fluff' and historical references and get to the nitty gritty. That sounds like the Christianity I know and love. Though since you don't think Catholics are Christians, then I can see how you'd believe this. In which case, fine by me that's your belief.
    Please point out where I said any of this?

    Your comment is not true in any way.

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    If that's how you see it, however, then I'm assuming you'd like to remove some stuff from the NT as well?
    Please point out yet AGAIN where I said anything even close?

    Again with untrue statements.

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    P.S. I took an Introduction to the Old Testament class, and discussed both Testaments somewhat in Christianity class at Campbell. Occasionally I'll read the books to try and find any interesting tidbits of information.
    You seem to know very little for someone who "read the books."

    Considering your characterization of my previous statements. I am now wondering if I should believe you as the evidence before me says otherwise.

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    P.S.S.

    "The first step in liquidating a people is to erase its memory. Destroy its books, its culture, its history" --Czech historian, Milan Hubl

    You'd have us neglect the parts of the OT that some would say are easiest to prove? The Histories?
    Please point out where I said to "neglect" anything at all. Just because something does not apply it makes it no less historically relevant.

    Nothing but Lie's about my statements and red herrings.

    Nice.
    Last edited by Black Dog; 11-08-09 at 10:55 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    You can successfully wipe your ass with toilet paper, that doesn't mean that you should.

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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    I just ask a few straightforard questions, myself.

    Was the target civilian or military?

    Was the perp invoking his religion as a motivating factor, or was the religion involved nominal?

    "did the perp exhibit any behavior before hand that exhibited sympathies or support for terrorism in general, or a specific form thereof?

    "does the perp have known connections to terrorist groups?

    In answering these questions for the thing that went berserk, the answers would be "military", "yes", "yes" and "we don't know yet but quite possibly no".


    I wouldn't say that ALL these criteria would need to be met, but the first one, alone, disqualifies the act from being considered terrorist. Considering the yes answers, though, I would tend to classify it as Jihadist guerilla war carried out by a lone individual -- a distinction that does not make the victims any less dead, mind you.

    I really do not understand much of the apologia that arises whenever these sorts of events are discussed, but when a thing such as this expresses support for Islamic based terrorism and invokes Allah during their blood bath, it seems the height of sophistry to me to try to remove Islam from the equation with such a surgical precision that it did not contribute at all. Sure, those who indulge in such sophistry think they are defending those Muslims who do not share these arch views, but through such obfuscation, all people are revealing is tha they are reactionaries. They are reacting to those who might conflate terrorism with Islam to such a degree that they are synonymous , but simply crafting themselves as the mirror image thereof.
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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    I just ask a few straightforard questions, myself.

    Was the target civilian or military?

    Was the perp invoking his religion as a motivating factor, or was the religion involved nominal?

    "did the perp exhibit any behavior before hand that exhibited sympathies or support for terrorism in general, or a specific form thereof?

    "does the perp have known connections to terrorist groups?

    In answering these questions for the thing that went berserk, the answers would be "military", "yes", "yes" and "we don't know yet but quite possibly no".


    I wouldn't say that ALL these criteria would need to be met, but the first one, alone, disqualifies the act from being considered terrorist. Considering the yes answers, though, I would tend to classify it as Jihadist guerilla war carried out by a lone individual -- a distinction that does not make the victims any less dead, mind you.

    I really do not understand much of the apologia that arises whenever these sorts of events are discussed, but when a thing such as this expresses support for Islamic based terrorism and invokes Allah during their blood bath, it seems the height of sophistry to me to try to remove Islam from the equation with such a surgical precision that it did not contribute at all. Sure, those who indulge in such sophistry think they are defending those Muslims who do not share these arch views, but through such obfuscation, all people are revealing is tha they are reactionaries. They are reacting to those who might conflate terrorism with Islam to such a degree that they are synonymous , but simply crafting themselves as the mirror image thereof.
    This is a case of a guy going postal.

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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by windovervocalcords View Post
    This is a case of a guy going postal.
    No, I'm not nearly postal.
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