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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I'm not sure that our views changed in response to Bush being president. It could have just been that so many people were killed while he happened to be in office, and we got a more graphic look at what terrorism entails on a really personal level.
    I think you are correct but my thinking was more along the lines of the Patriot Act and how the views on what does or does not make you a terrorist and how everday citizens lost a bit of their freedoms under that act.

    We do not like the way you are acting? We can declair you a Terrorist, kick your door down and do illegal search simply cause we do not like who ya talking to, where you hanging out, your religion, etc.
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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    But isn't the basis of most religions about control in some ways? Even some alt. religions have a somewhat control vibe?

    Mankind really messed up religion as a whole.
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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    I think you are correct but my thinking was more along the lines of the Patriot Act and how the views on what does or does not make you a terrorist and how everday citizens lost a bit of their freedoms under that act.
    Ahhhh. Okay, I see where you were coming from (I think), but I don't know how many average Joes are aware of just what the Patriot Act entails. Most Americans are so busy just getting by and trying to have a good life that they don't pay attention to details, especially when it sounds like a patriotic thing going on in DC. In all honesty, I suspect "we aint seen nothing yet".

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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    I think you are correct but my thinking was more along the lines of the Patriot Act and how the views on what does or does not make you a terrorist and how everday citizens lost a bit of their freedoms under that act.
    We technically didn't 'lose' freedom so much as the Government 'gained' it.

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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    If the OT does not apply to Christians in any way then why is it even in the Bible?

    The OT very much does apply to them considering that it is the basis of that religion. lol.
    99.9% of the OT does not apply to daily Christian life. The only thing that does outside of historical reference and insite into God's nature is 6 of the commandments.

    Matthew 19:16-21

    Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?”

    17“Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.”

    18“Which ones?” the man inquired.

    Jesus replied, “‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, 19honor your father and mother,’d and ‘love your neighbor as yourself."

    20“All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?”

    21Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”


    Pretty simple if you actually know the Bible.

    And don't even bother with the old but he said "the law will not pass away" etc. He was speaking to the Jews, not gentiles.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    But isn't the basis of most religions about control in some ways? Even some alt. religions have a somewhat control vibe?

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    Many of the tribal religions of days gone by were nothing about control from what I can tell, but more about reverence, luck, meaningfulness and celebration or rites of passage. Mass religion has tended to make it about control, but after many years of questioning the validity of religion or even the need for it, I currently think there may be a necessity for it in some aspects regarding maintaining civility in large populations. I'm not 100% convinced yet, but I do tend to value its importance more than I did, say, 30 years ago.

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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    99.9% of the OT does not apply to daily Christian life. The only thing that does outside of historical reference and insite into God's nature is 6 of the commandments.

    Matthew 19:16-21

    Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?”

    17“Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.”

    18“Which ones?” the man inquired.

    Jesus replied, “‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, 19honor your father and mother,’d and ‘love your neighbor as yourself."

    20“All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?”

    21Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”


    Pretty simple if you actually know the Bible.

    And don't even bother with the old but he said "the law will not pass away" etc. He was speaking to the Jews, not gentiles.
    That's like reading a textbook for it's appendices and saying that only a few pages of the actual book are worth reading as well.

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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    That's like reading a textbook for it's appendices and saying that only a few pages of the actual book are worth reading as well.
    Fallacy man.

    Now do you have anything of substance? Like actual biblical reference to refute it?
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    You can successfully wipe your ass with toilet paper, that doesn't mean that you should.

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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    But seriously? Necromancy? Idols? C'mon that's superstition and slander against the Catholic Church. I was completely taken aback at how many Baptists think that we're:
    1) Witches and
    2) we worship Mary.

    They HONESTLY thought this, as in their PARENTS or PASTORS taught it to them.
    Either you believe what the Bible says or you don't.

    If you believe in God but call his laws superstition, what does that say about your religion? Or even your faith?

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    As if other Christians haven't proclaimed they can do (and 'perform) miracles?
    They have, and they are no less false profits.

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Yeah, discussing religion, especially inter-christianity is a slipper slope
    Yep.

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    There's a mix of both, and it in no way really damns anybody anymore than other traditions of Christianity. For example, we still practice Grace through Thought AND Action. Baptists do not to the best of my knowledge. Thus my major beef with Protestants is the amount of stuff they leave out, and the amount of stuff they add in. That and I had a little run in with an English teacher at Campbell University (A Southern Baptists School, I should have known they'd have that much of a problem with a Catholic. )
    OK, but I am not Baptist and they are wrong as well. Nothing should be added or taken away. Either it is biblically sound or it is not.

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    We still should have a solid, unifying leadership or, again, we end up with what happened during the reformation to present.
    Can't happen as long as man ignores the word for his own.

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Unless someone hears God for themselves, then nothing they believe is condoned by him, they're merely taking it all in faith. How can we prove it? The Bible is one of the most contested books in history, is it not? I know it's borderline blasphemy to say it but, Faith alone is not proof to anyone but yourself.
    You are trying to say the Bible is not correct? It covers everything you need to be a good Christian, period. Everything else is not biblical and is not from God.

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    I'm pretty sure the old testament has some verses, and while that's not the basis of Christianity, it's still in the Bible.
    So what? If they do not apply it is not applicable.

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    I also THINK (Not for sure) Jesus was quoted in Matthew about a sword (Some crazy evangelical kid at Campbell was quoting scripture), but that was more a metaphor than an actual, "hey, I'm coming back with a sword if you don't convert" statement.
    You are talking about Matthew 10:34-39

    Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it."

    He was not saying literally a sword. He was talking about what would happen with the advent of this new religion.

    Context is a hell of a thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    I was just discussing the Koran, and a friend of mine says the Koran doesn't say to initially convert at sword point and conversions are welcome at any time. but I'll believe that when they put the swords down...
    The key word in that is initially.

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    I still don't know what I said that is was blanketing anyone.
    "See, while Christian religious texts encourage violence, the majority stopped being violent and actually practice the 'turn the other cheek' strategy (Ya know, Kill 'em with kindness.)" - EpicDude86

    Absolutly not true.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    You can successfully wipe your ass with toilet paper, that doesn't mean that you should.

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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Fallacy man.

    Now do you have anything of substance? Like actual biblical reference to refute it?
    Actually I do. As you said earlier: "The OT does not apply to Christians in any way"


    So, by your account, most of these books have no bearing on Christianity (And I will list books found in bibles used by both Catholics and Protestants)

    Genesis
    Tobit
    Ezekiel
    Exodus
    Judith
    Daniel
    Leviticus
    Esther
    Hosea
    Numbers
    1 Maccabees
    2 Maccabees
    Joel
    Deuteronomy
    Amos
    Joshua
    Job
    Obadiah
    Judges
    The Psalms
    Jonah
    Ruth
    Proverbs
    Micah
    First Samuel
    Second Samuel
    Ecclesiastes
    Nahum
    Song of Solomon
    Habakkuk
    First Kings
    Second Kings
    Wisdom
    Zephaniah
    Sirach
    Haggai
    First Chronicles
    Second Chronicles
    Isaiah
    Zechariah
    Jeremiah
    Malachi
    Ezra
    Lamentations
    Nehemiah
    Baruch

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