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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    I thought Christians were those who believed in the divinity and saving grace of Jesus Christ, and baptism in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    I thought Christians were those who believed in the divinity and saving grace of Jesus Christ, and baptism in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
    All of which Catholics profess/follow.

    Edit: I once had this delusional idea of being the Unifier of the Christian Church. I really had it in my mind that I could bring everyone back together and make Christianity whole again. And then I grew up and found out why we had split, and why we remain split.

    With the Protestant Reformation, which in my opinion was largely a 'fad' or bandwagon movement, came the idea that Man could interpret the Bible for himself, and while that's a great idea, it soon became bastardized. One of the bi-products of this split, Calvinism, was a good example. (They were sort of Elitists, that didn't know for sure if they were elite or not lol, we can get into that later though) And essentially, People began creating their own VERSIONS of Christianity, adding and subtracting as they saw fit, soon a unifying Faith became "Well, I personally believe it goes like this..." Now, do we have evangelicals today who are true to the Bible and values of Christianity? Of Course. Do we also have Corporate Christianity? "Super" churches? Satin suit wearing evangelicals who don't practice what they preach? Yes. (That's not to say that the Catholic or Orthodox Church have been without their share of troubles by any means.) A lot of good in spreading Christianity came with Martin Luther, practically the same that came from the Catholic Church, however, A lot of detriment to Christianity arose from the split as well. I think "Divided we Fall" is an appropriate slogan here. Where WE is ALL Christians, not just one sect or branch. And ironically, for being followers of Christ, we're not a very Christian bunch, and the hypocrisy is astounding. Now as far as I am concerned, I have some issues with dogma and canon, but I take this up with Priests and religious scholars and such, and I either come to accept it or continue to form my beliefs around the new information gained. Unfortunately, a lot of Christians, and Catholics included, would simply go, "well that's not how I want to believe it" or "that doesn't make sense to me" and so they think "I'm going to change it to better fit ME."
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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    I thought Christians were those who believed in the divinity and saving grace of Jesus Christ, and baptism in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
    Oh good Christ; not another "Catholics aren't real Christians" proponent.
    Who do you think the original Christians were?
    You Protestants are Johnny-come-lately's.

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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    I always thought that was kind of a pompous opinion to have of Catholics. How the heck are you going to call the Second branch of Christians (behind the original Christian Jews), NOT Christians? Have you BEEN to mass lately? It's JESUS this, and JESUS that. Oi. Longest hour of the week, some might say. Catholics follow the 10 commandments, with guidance from the Bible. I suppose you think we worship Mary and all the Icons in our churches, too?
    I don't go to mass as I am not a Catholic.

    I was raised Catholic, baptized and had my first holy communion, confirmation at Our Lady of Peace in Chicago.

    As I grew older and studied the Bible, I realized 2nd church or not, they got allot of things wrong according to scripture. From praying to dead people (necromancy) to statues (idles) praying to them or not makes them no less idles. The bloody history of the leadership of the church did not help.

    As soon as the Pope can do the miracles of the Apostles, I will follow his word over the scripture. Until that time he is just a man who has no right to change God's word.

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Christianity n. a monotheistic system of beliefs and practices based on the Old Testament and the teachings of Jesus as embodied in the New Testament

    Now tell me, by definition, that Catholics aren't Christian.
    They are, but for the sake of argument I differentiate the two. As I said no insult was intended.

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Now, I'm assuming (very risky maneuver here) you're of a Protestant or Evangelical branch of Christianity, which ironically, Catholics don't recognize as actual churches. Catholicism sees them as Christians, just not an actual Church (Guess it has something to do with that One True Church doctrine or some jazz like that. Odd that we still recognize the Eastern Orthodox fellas...but that's a whooole 'nother story)
    No I am not an "Evangelical" at all. I am closer to a run of the mill Baptist.

    My only beef with the Catholic church outside of it's un-Christ like history is it's not following biblical precedent vs man's traditions.

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Protestantism is the reason Christianity is in such tatters today. It essentially opened the door from having 2 major sects of Christianity to HEY ANYONE CAN CREATE THEIR OWN BRANCH! and now we have even MORE abuse and 'tradition of Man' put into the churches. i.e. I don't see any Priests rollin' around in Escalades or collecting a mandatory 10% tithe from the congregation...
    I agree, I think both churches have it wrong.

    Everyman should read the Bible for himself and not let the traditions of mans church dictate his religion.

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    And while I respect what Martin Luther did, I think he did more harm than good by underestimating what man would do. He thought that if he were to bring to light the flaws of the Church, the people would fix them, instead, it opened the floodgates for people to interpret the Bible ANY way they pleased. Which is essentially doing more harm than good these days, for example the Westboro Baptist Church. While I know they aren't a real Baptist congregation, they are an example of the further abuses of Christianity.
    Again I agee. No argument here.

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    The Crusades were driven by both men who honestly believed they were doing the will of God and...well...I'll just say it...Italians who were trying to make some moolah, and if they praised God along the way then BENE!

    The Catholic Church also helped Jews and other persecuted groups escape Germany. But no one seems to remember that. Nor do they remember the Priests who were imprisoned for resisting the Nazi regimes.
    Irrelevant. They were not of nor condoned by God, period. It was man, not God or the Bible that set any of the atrocities in motion. It was the greed and ambitions of man perverting God's word.

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    But it parallels. Hence my juxtaposition of the two. (YAY! Word of the Day!)
    Again the Koran says to convert via the sword, the Bible does not, period.

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Who did I blanket because I hate blanket terms too, and I certainly would hate it if I did or said anything hypocritical.
    You said it, not me.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Oh good Christ; not another "Catholics aren't real Christians" proponent.
    Who do you think the original Christians were?
    You Protestants are Johnny-come-lately's.
    I thought that the original Christians were the Orthodox!!
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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Oh good Christ; not another "Catholics aren't real Christians" proponent.
    Who do you think the original Christians were?
    You Protestants are Johnny-come-lately's.
    Converted Jews would be the correct answer. No Catholic church existed, it was just Jesus preaching.

    Get your history together 10!
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I don't go to mass as I am not a Catholic.

    I was raised Catholic, baptized and had my first holy communion, confirmation at Our Lady of Peace in Chicago.
    That was more rhetorical and sarcasm lol

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    As I grew older and studied the Bible, I realized 2nd church or not, they got allot of things wrong according to scripture. From praying to dead people (necromancy) to statues (idles) praying to them or not makes them no less idles. The bloody history of the leadership of the church did not help.
    Yeah, I know being raised Catholic sometimes makes it harder for you to believe the Church than if you're a Non-Catholic, that's one of my beefs is how Catholicism turns people off to it. But seriously? Necromancy? Idols? C'mon that's superstition and slander against the Catholic Church. I was completely taken aback at how many Baptists think that we're:
    1) Witches and
    2) we worship Mary.

    They HONESTLY thought this, as in their PARENTS or PASTORS taught it to them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    As soon as the Pope can do the miracles of the Apostles, I will follow his word over the scripture. Until that time he is just a man who has no right to change God's word.
    As if other Christians haven't proclaimed they can do (and 'perform) miracles?


    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    They are, but for the sake of argument I differentiate the two. As I said no insult was intended.
    Yeah, discussing religion, especially inter-christianity is a slipper slope


    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    No I am not an "Evangelical" at all. I am closer to a run of the mill Baptist.
    Thank GOD.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    My only beef with the Catholic church outside of it's un-Christ like history is it's not following biblical precedent vs man's traditions.
    There's a mix of both, and it in no way really damns anybody anymore than other traditions of Christianity. For example, we still practice Grace through Thought AND Action. Baptists do not to the best of my knowledge. Thus my major beef with Protestants is the amount of stuff they leave out, and the amount of stuff they add in. That and I had a little run in with an English teacher at Campbell University (A Southern Baptists School, I should have known they'd have that much of a problem with a Catholic. )

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I agree, I think both churches have it wrong.

    Everyman should read the Bible for himself and not let the traditions of mans church dictate his religion.
    We still should have a solid, unifying leadership or, again, we end up with what happened during the reformation to present.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Again I agee. No argument here.
    We're on a roll here!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Irrelevant. They were not of nor condoned by God, period. It was man, not God or the Bible that set any of the atrocities in motion. It was the greed and ambitions of man perverting God's word.
    Unless someone hears God for themselves, then nothing they believe is condoned by him, they're merely taking it all in faith. How can we prove it? The Bible is one of the most contested books in history, is it not? I know it's borderline blasphemy to say it but, Faith alone is not proof to anyone but yourself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Again the Koran says to convert via the sword, the Bible does not, period.
    I'm pretty sure the old testament has some verses, and while that's not the basis of Christianity, it's still in the Bible. I also THINK (Not for sure) Jesus was quoted in Matthew about a sword (Some crazy evangelical kid at Campbell was quoting scripture), but that was more a metaphor than an actual, "hey, I'm coming back with a sword if you don't convert" statement. lol. I was just discussing the Koran, and a friend of mine says the Koran doesn't say to initially convert at sword point and conversions are welcome at any time. but I'll believe that when they put the swords down...



    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    You said it, not me.
    I still don't know what I said that is was blanketing anyone.

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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Bush made what we consider "terrorist" a whole new ballgame.
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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Bush made what we consider "terrorist" a whole new ballgame.
    It's all Bush's fault!

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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Bush made what we consider "terrorist" a whole new ballgame.
    No, terrorists made what we consider terrorists a whole new ball game.

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