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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    That is not true at all. Christian texts do not nor have they ever condoned conversion by the sword. That was man warping the OT into something it is not.

    Do not blame the Bible for being used for unintended purposes.
    There are a sprinkling of verses that are most likely allegorical in nature, but by and large the New Testament encourage believers to pray for their enemies and heap only coals of kindness on their heads.

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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    There are a few fringe Christian groups that practice violence in America, but it's definitely less mainstream in Christianity. There is plenty of opportunity, with very few incidences. But this isn't the first attack by Muslims in the military on their fellow soldiers, and they are a tiny minority in the Military. It's concerning.
    I believe it's the second. I don't think we can draw any meaningful conclusions from such a small sample size. Further, even if we could, what does that necessarily mean? If 0.0005% of the individuals of a particular group will buy into an extreme ethos and kill people while only 0.0002% of the individuals from other groups would do the same, how should we react to that? Does it change the nature of the actions when they do occur?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Well, it probably depends on whether there was an attempt to kill people.

    It also, I think, depends on whether the attack is a pre-meditated attempt to instill terror on people of the race in question, or just committed in the heat of hate-filled passion.
    This seems like one of the most logically defensible positions that has been offered. I don't know that it would be the position that most people would initially agree with, but I'm certainly swayed by it.

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    McVeigh was anti-government. His religion of origin (I think he was baptized and raised Catholic) wasn't any factor in his attack.
    I didn't mean to imply it did, my apologies.
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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    That is not true at all. Christian texts do not nor have they ever condoned conversion by the sword. That was man warping the OT into something it is not.

    Do not blame the Bible for being used for unintended purposes.
    Oh so you have access to the Papal Archives??? Ooooh, I'd love to hear what all those hippie Popes were writing about to the many Missionaries and Crusaders abroad!

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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    There are a sprinkling of verses that are most likely allegorical in nature, but by and large the New Testament encourage believers to pray for their enemies and heap only coals of kindness on their heads.
    Pretty much.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    But here we run into the same problem as before - you seem to be saying that the question of whether what Hasan/Roeder/Brewer/McVeigh did constitutes terrorism is dependent on the actions of unrelated individuals spread across the globe.
    Terrorism is based on the actual Terrorist, their views, and their method of the attack/act. It goes no deeper than that unless you are trying to decide if an Organization as a whole or in part is a terrorist organization. Each case of terrorism must be looked at closely, then decided upon. There is no template or stereotype for a Terrorist. That's like saying there is a template for guerrillas.

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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    This seems like one of the most logically defensible positions that has been offered. I don't know that it would be the position that most people would initially agree with, but I'm certainly swayed by it.
    Huh. This might be the first time in my entire DP history that I've actually swayed someone's position on an issue.

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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Huh. This might be the first time in my entire DP history that I've actually swayed someone's position on an issue.
    Ha ha, that is a rare event on a discussion board!

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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Oh so you have access to the Papal Archives??? Ooooh, I'd love to hear what all those hippie Popes were writing about to the many Missionaries and Crusaders abroad!
    What do the "Papal Archives" have to do with the Bible? The Bible outside of the Apocrypha and mistranslation has not been changed since it's inception by the Emperor.

    Please point out a single verse that says Christians are to go out and convert via the sword?

    Many things were done in God'a name that had nothing to do with Chrsitianity or the Bible. It had to do with mans lust for power.

    Please point out where in the NT it says to go and conquer the Holy land or any such nonsense.

    Your argument thus far is not only weak, but just plane uninformed and ridicules.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Terrorism is based on the actual Terrorist, their views, and their method of the attack/act. It goes no deeper than that unless you are trying to decide if an Organization as a whole or in part is a terrorist organization. Each case of terrorism must be looked at closely, then decided upon. There is no template or stereotype for a Terrorist. That's like saying there is a template for guerrillas.
    My apologies if I misconstrued your earlier statement. I thought that you were arguing that an act should be classified differently depending on whether the religious motivation was Islam or Christianity, due to the way in which each is interpreted across the globe.
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    What do the "Papal Archives" have to do with the Bible? The Bible outside of the Apocrypha and mistranslation has not been changed since it's inception by the Emperor.

    The Papal Archives part was a joke, but you said Christian texts. This would include Christian writings, books, Letters from the Papacy, and other religious-based documentation. I even italicized it in my qoute.

    And let's see. Who called for each Crusade? You do realize there were Convert-or-Kill clauses attached to, not only the purpose of the Crusades, but many of the "Mission Statements" of Knightly Orders as well?

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