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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    I think there's a lot of overlap. In my opinion, terrorist groups have a lot of mentally ill people. The leadership exploits mentally ill youth to accomplish their goals.

    Take, for example, Saddam Hussein or Adolf Hitler. They were most likely mentally ill. Saddam Hussein was severely abused and exposed to horrors growing up. Hitler was a mad man. Even so, their ideological motives were evil.

    This Hasan was influenced by violent underpinnings of a sizable minority faction of Islam. Of that I'm certain.
    The youth are impressionable, not mentally ill.

    There's a fine line between Brilliance and Madness, and while Hitler did tread it, Saddam was just a sore loser in charge of a whole lot of sand. He did **** like beating his Olympic soccer team for losing where as Hitler's armies (being led by some of the greatest strategists and badasses in all the Fatherland) conquered, nay RAPED Europe, North Africa, and most of the valuable part of Russia before being beaten back.

    While I see your "Mentally Ill" argument, it's a serious matter of opinion when you compare the two.

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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    Labels have shifting meanings. Language is fluid. It really doesn't matter to me whether he gets the specific label of terrorist or not. I still think that there is a sizable element within Islam that encourages violence in the name of Allah against infidels.
    Similarly, there is an element within Christianity that encourages violence in the name of God against abortion doctors, an element within the racist community that encourages violence in the name of a pure race against blacks, and an element within the anti-government community that encourages violence in the name of a free society against government employees.

    I'm trying to determine how these these examples can be logically distinguished from the Islamic example, if they can. Is it simply a matter of proportions?
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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Based on legal definitions of terrorism I'm inclined to believe that the answer is "yes".
    So anyone who commits a hate crime is a terrorist? Does it depend on whether people are killed or not?
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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    You're kidding, right...
    Of course not. I don't see anything ridiculous enough to be laughed at in my post, myself. Whether or not you are an apologist of evil yourself, the idea that evil people suffer from a mental disorder is an entirely apologist one.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    By the legal definition, certainly neither of them were.
    By other definitions, most of us probably are, depending upon who is doing the defining.
    It's a rather meaningless term, actually. Mental illness.
    "Mental illness"? I was talking about terrorism.

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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Similarly, there is an element within Christianity that encourages violence in the name of God against abortion doctors, an element within the racist community that encourages violence in the name of a pure race against blacks, and an element within the anti-government community that encourages violence in the name of a free society against government employees.

    I'm trying to determine how these these examples can be logically distinguished from the Islamic example, if they can. Is it simply a matter of proportions?
    See, while Christian religious texts encourage violence, the majority stopped being violent and actually practice the 'turn the other cheek' strategy (Ya know, Kill 'em with kindness.) Islam is the other way around, they practice what their scripts say and only a few of them have progressed to the worldwide community idea of tolerance of religions not their own.

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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    See, while Christian religious texts encourage violence, the majority stopped being violent and actually practice the 'turn the other cheek' strategy (Ya know, Kill 'em with kindness.) Islam is the other way around, they practice what their scripts say and only a few of them have progressed to the worldwide community idea of tolerance of religions not their own.
    But here we run into the same problem as before - you seem to be saying that the question of whether what Hasan/Roeder/Brewer/McVeigh did constitutes terrorism is dependent on the actions of unrelated individuals spread across the globe.
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    There are a few fringe Christian groups that practice violence in America, but it's definitely less mainstream in Christianity. There is plenty of opportunity, with very few incidences. But this isn't the first attack by Muslims in the military on their fellow soldiers, and they are a tiny minority in the Military. It's concerning.

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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    So anyone who commits a hate crime is a terrorist? Does it depend on whether people are killed or not?
    Well, it probably depends on whether there was an attempt to kill people.

    It also, I think, depends on whether the attack is a pre-meditated attempt to instill terror on people of the race in question, or just committed in the heat of hate-filled passion.

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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    See, while Christian religious texts encourage violence, the majority stopped being violent and actually practice the 'turn the other cheek' strategy (Ya know, Kill 'em with kindness.) Islam is the other way around, they practice what their scripts say and only a few of them have progressed to the worldwide community idea of tolerance of religions not their own.
    That is not true at all. Christian texts do not nor have they ever condoned conversion by the sword. That was man warping the OT into something it is not.

    Do not blame the Bible for being used for unintended purposes.
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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    McVeigh was anti-government. His religion of origin (I think he was baptized and raised Catholic) wasn't any factor in his attack.

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