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Thread: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    I think there's a lot of overlap. In my opinion, terrorist groups have a lot of mentally ill people. The leadership exploits mentally ill youth to accomplish their goals.

    Take, for example, Saddam Hussein or Adolf Hitler. They were most likely mentally ill. Saddam Hussein was severely abused and exposed to horrors growing up. Hitler was a mad man. Even so, their ideological motives were evil.

    This Hasan was influenced by violent underpinnings of a sizable minority faction of Islam. Of that I'm certain.

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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    And, your comparison to Christians committing violent acts is valid in areas where Christian terrorism is a reality. Abortion clinic bombings, sectarian violence such as N Ireland or Bosnia, Serbia or Croatia, things like that. If an individual Christian attacks an abortion clinic, that could very well be viewed as terrorism. It all has to be considered within context.

    The context of Hasan attacking American military personnel in a suicide type mission, after making anti-American statements over the years, could easily be construed as Islamic terrorism.

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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    I think there's a lot of overlap. In my opinion, terrorist groups have a lot of mentally ill people. The leadership exploits mentally ill youth to accomplish their goals.

    Take, for example, Saddam Hussein or Adolf Hitler. They were most likely mentally ill. Saddam Hussein was severely abused and exposed to horrors growing up. Hitler was a mad man. Even so, their ideological motives were evil.

    This Hasan was influenced by violent underpinnings of a sizable minority faction of Islam. Of that I'm certain.
    Maybe you should make a venn diagram about it.


    http://www.debatepolitics.com/art-an...-diagrams.html

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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Maybe you should make a venn diagram about it.


    http://www.debatepolitics.com/art-an...-diagrams.html
    There you go, that's the answer!

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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    I think there's a lot of overlap. In my opinion, terrorist groups have a lot of mentally ill people. The leadership exploits mentally ill youth to accomplish their goals.

    Take, for example, Saddam Hussein or Adolf Hitler. They were most likely mentally ill. Saddam Hussein was severely abused and exposed to horrors growing up. Hitler was a mad man. Even so, their ideological motives were evil.

    This Hasan was influenced by violent underpinnings of a sizable minority faction of Islam. Of that I'm certain.
    But does the fact that he was likely influenced by it automatically change the analysis? I'm sure that most mass murderers are driven by a confluence of factors, ranging from the sacred to the profane. What causes me to hesitate is the argument that because religion likely played a part in this incident, it automatically falls into the category of "religious extremist terrorism" regardless of what other factors were involved.

    Put another way: Say that .00001% of people are so screwed up in the head that they buy into an ethos that advocates the killing of others. Some of those people buy into radical islam and the concept of jihad, some of those people buy into radical christianity and the idea of murdering abortion doctors, some of those people buy into anti-black propaganda and the idea of killing black people, and some of those people buy into anti-government propaganda and the idea of killing government employees. We've seen this play out with people like Nadal Hasan, Scott Roeder, Lawrence Russel Brewer, and Timothy McVeigh. Do all these individuals qualify as "terrorists?" If not, why not?
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Labels have shifting meanings. Language is fluid. It really doesn't matter to me whether he gets the specific label of terrorist or not. I still think that there is a sizable element within Islam that encourages violence in the name of Allah against infidels.

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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    Take, for example, Saddam Hussein or Adolf Hitler. They were most likely mentally ill. Saddam Hussein was severely abused and exposed to horrors growing up. Hitler was a mad man. Even so, their ideological motives were evil.
    There is nothing to suggest that either of these people were mentally ill. And it would be kind of hard to take control of an entire country without being in their right mind.

    Evil =/= insane.

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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Put another way: Say that .00001% of people are so screwed up in the head that they buy into an ethos that advocates the killing of others. Some of those people buy into radical islam and the concept of jihad, some of those people buy into radical christianity and the idea of murdering abortion doctors, some of those people buy into anti-black propaganda and the idea of killing black people, and some of those people buy into anti-government propaganda and the idea of killing government employees. We've seen this play out with people like Nadal Hasan, Scott Roeder, Lawrence Russel Brewer, and Timothy McVeigh. Do all these individuals qualify as "terrorists?"
    Based on legal definitions of terrorism I'm inclined to believe that the answer is "yes".

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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    There is nothing to suggest that either of these people were mentally ill. And it would be kind of hard to take control of an entire country without being in their right mind.

    Evil =/= insane.
    You're kidding, right...

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    Re: Fort Hood - Terrorist Attack?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Based on legal definitions of terrorism I'm inclined to believe that the answer is "yes".
    By the legal definition, certainly neither of them were.
    By other definitions, most of us probably are, depending upon who is doing the defining.
    It's a rather meaningless term, actually. Mental illness.

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