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  • Franklin Pierce

    1 1.72%
  • Benjamin Harrison

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  • Jimmy Carter

    21 36.21%
  • James Buchanan

    3 5.17%
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    Re: Worst President Ever?

    Um...no. You are right that most of what Scarecrow Akhbar said was false, but you are also false by thinking Wilson kept us out of war.

    He single handedly put us in war in 1917 after claiming we were going to remain neutral for three years. Then he created the League of Nations (precursor to United Nations).

    He also passed the "Sedition Act of 1918" which shat on our freedom of speech against the US government during a time of war.

    Bush is considered one of the worse as well.

    Anyone see a trend?
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    Re: Worst President Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by vauge View Post
    Um...no. You are right that most of what Scarecrow Akhbar said was false, but you are also false by thinking Wilson kept us out of war.

    He single handedly put us in war in 1917 after claiming we were going to remain neutral for three years. Then he created the League of Nations (precursor to United Nations).

    He also passed the "Sedition Act of 1918" which shat on our freedom of speech against the US government during a time of war.

    Bush is considered one of the worse as well.

    Anyone see a trend?

    Well since you said it: would you please, using facts, dates, links, etc. please tell us why Bush is one of the worst Presidents. And then, if someone wants to, post all the good things he's done and we'll compare. I don't know what kind of ****storm this will bring but it should prove fun either way.

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    Re: Worst President Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Wow, three posts defending the Confederacy in a row. That must be a new DP record.



    I suppose the 1979 Iranian takeover of the American embassy was justified because the embassy was "in their own territory"?

    Just because it is within the country's borders doesn't mean it belongs to the country. Otherwise, the Vatican and Monaco would not be independent states.

    Or...Djibouti is it? There's a country in Africa like that.

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    Re: Worst President Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Well since you said it: would you please, using facts, dates, links, etc. please tell us why Bush is one of the worst Presidents. And then, if someone wants to, post all the good things he's done and we'll compare. I don't know what kind of ****storm this will bring but it should prove fun either way.
    Bush doesn't even compare to Lincoln, FDR, Wilson, Hoover, and LBJ, but the way he increased debt while calling himself a conservative was just shameful.

    And I know I'm going to be asked about this, but the problem with each of these presidents is:

    Lincoln - draft, martial law, destruction of states' rights.
    FDR - New Deal
    Wilson - Leading us unnecessarily to WWI
    Hoover - Intervening in the economy and exacerbating the Depression
    LBJ - Vietnam, Great Society
    Last edited by phattonez; 11-06-09 at 01:08 PM.

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    Re: Worst President Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Bush doesn't even compare to Lincoln, FDR, Wilson, Hoover, and LBJ, but the way he increased debt while calling himself a conservative was just shameful.
    While I agree about the debt thing, lying isn't the worst thing a President can do, regardless of political affiliation or lack thereof.

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    Re: Worst President Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    While I agree about the debt thing, lying isn't the worst thing a President can do, regardless of political affiliation or lack thereof.
    No, but the terrible economic policies make him more bad than good (not talking about his intentions here).

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    Re: Worst President Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    But if your view is correct, you'd think at least a few historians would see that, or at least hold a view close to it. Instead, historians almost unanimously rate Lincoln as the best president ever. I'm not sure there's a single historian who claims that he's the worst, and if there is, they're the fringe of the fringe.
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    Re: Worst President Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    No, but the terrible economic policies make him more bad than good (not talking about his intentions here).
    I was thinking...

    Can we really just blame the President though? while the President does have power, we should really look at entire administrations and the Congress as well. Bush lost 50% blame for the war 60 days after we went in. Why? Because Congress declared war. Not to mention Congress usually gets away with more, if I can find my post in another thread, there's a list of Senators and Representatives that commit crimes and break the laws and get away with it, yet no one really seems to care about that.

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    Re: Worst President Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    I was thinking...

    Can we really just blame the President though? while the President does have power, we should really look at entire administrations and the Congress as well. Bush lost 50% blame for the war 60 days after we went in. Why? Because Congress declared war. Not to mention Congress usually gets away with more, if I can find my post in another thread, there's a list of Senators and Representatives that commit crimes and break the laws and get away with it, yet no one really seems to care about that.
    Bush was in control until 2006 as much as Obama is in control now. If you're the president and your party is in control of the legislative branch, then you effectively control 2 branches of government.

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    Re: Worst President Ever?

    [quote=Kandahar;1058348203]Bubbles happen all the time, but they don't typically cause depressions. [quote]

    The Fed created the Great Bubble, the Fed burst the Great Bubble.

    Spongebob and Squidward rolled into one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Besides, the Fed was MORE constrained during the 1920s than it is now due to the Gold Standard. If this theory was correct, we should be seeing depressions MORE often now.
    You must have deliberately chose to ignore that I've already told you that the word "depression" is archaic for what we call "recession".

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    And how did you arrive at the conclusion that a pinched off monetary supply is an argument against the existence of the Fed, instead of an argument for the Fed to do even more? How would the economy have been better off if there WAS no Fed to loan money?
    Damn, you're wilfully ignorant.

    Try reading my posts, I see no need to repost them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    So the Fed caused the Great Depression by not lending money.
    You're only stating half the story.

    Get with the program, stop repeating your propaganda.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Article II, Section 2, Clause 2: He [the President] shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.
    Wow. I didn't realize you actually knew how to find the Constitution.

    Now, find the line in Article I, Section 8 that authorizes the Congress to abandon one of it's Constitutionally assigned duties.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    We've ALWAYS had a lot of ****in recessions throughout American history.
    No. Until the socialists took over in 1932, they were depressions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The Fed CAN'T cause stagflation.
    It's part of the problem.

    The Federal Reserve kept the interest rates low and drove the inflationary portion of it. That Idiot Carter did the rest of the damage by being an idiot and keeping business over-regulated.

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