View Poll Results: Worst Presidents or Worstest?

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  • Millard Fillmore

    2 3.45%
  • Franklin Pierce

    1 1.72%
  • Benjamin Harrison

    0 0%
  • Jimmy Carter

    21 36.21%
  • James Buchanan

    3 5.17%
  • Ronald Reagan

    12 20.69%
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Thread: Worst President Ever?

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    Re: Worst President Ever?

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    Re: Worst President Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    I think you're correct. Lincoln was much more interested in keeping the Union intact, which of course meant that he had to appease the South by laying off of slavery. When the South seceded, he needed to side more with the Republicans to gain support, and therefore made the appropriate ideological change.
    Politics is politics, and difficult choices are made by leaders, eh?
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    Re: Worst President Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Politics is politics, and difficult choices are made by leaders, eh?
    Some things just never change.
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    Re: Worst President Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    I'm curious. Is this the standard Texan view taught to schoolchildren over there, or do you just enjoy being a rebel by claiming that the president which historians almost unanimously pick as the best president ever is actually the worst president ever?
    My, what a thoughtful response...

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    Re: Worst President Ever?

    Barack Obama. I don't believe this is a premature decision, because he is only implementing the disastrous polices of the Carter administration, but on a much larger scale. No brainer.

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    Re: Worst President Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    I'm curious. Is this the standard Texan view taught to schoolchildren over there, or do you just enjoy being a rebel by claiming that the president which historians almost unanimously pick as the best president ever is actually the worst president ever?
    I'm equally curious, do you believe he actually did anything beyond making a short speech on the ass end of a railroad car?

    Many historians are scared to say anything because of the sensitive nature of slavery. They also love to re-write history especially when it gives a version for an overall good. Finally, remember that the victor actually writes history. The truth is always somewhere in the middle.
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    Re: Worst President Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    My, what a thoughtful response...
    I was being serious; I really was curious. Unfortunately he did not answer my question.

    Quote Originally Posted by vauge View Post
    I'm equally curious, do you believe he actually did anything beyond making a short speech on the ass end of a railroad car?.
    (Ignoring the whole freed-the-slaves thing, since he initially did not care about that) If the South handn't been brought back into the Union it would be a complete craphole today. Southerners should be glad for Lincoln, and I thought that they were, but now I wonder. So please answer my question: is your view common in Texas?

    Many historians are scared to say anything because of the sensitive nature of slavery. They also love to re-write history especially when it gives a version for an overall good. Finally, remember that the victor actually writes history. The truth is always somewhere in the middle.
    But if your view is correct, you'd think at least a few historians would see that, or at least hold a view close to it. Instead, historians almost unanimously rate Lincoln as the best president ever. I'm not sure there's a single historian who claims that he's the worst, and if there is, they're the fringe of the fringe.

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    Re: Worst President Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    (Ignoring the whole freed-the-slaves thing, since he initially did not care about that) If the South handn't been brought back into the Union it would be a complete craphole today. Southerners should be glad for Lincoln, and I thought that they were, but now I wonder. So please answer my question: is your view common in Texas?
    Irrelevant. My opinion is my own. Don't know or care what other Texans think. I know the majority history has been re-written.

    But if your view is correct, you'd think at least a few historians would see that, or at least hold a view close to it. Instead, historians almost unanimously rate Lincoln as the best president ever. I'm not sure there's a single historian who claims that he's the worst, and if there is, they're the fringe of the fringe.
    What qualifies as "historian"?

    Do a 30 second Google search. You will be surprised to know my position is not as unique as you think.

    You do realize that Lincoln suppressed free speech, squashed habeas corpus, and use the government forces to kill American citizens - right? All big no-no's to the constitution.

    Those small mundane "facts" are always glossed over.
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    Re: Worst President Ever?

    One of the funniest clips ever....about one of the worst presidents ever:

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    Re: Worst President Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Woodrow Wilson.

    Passed the 16th, 17th, and 19th Amendments.

    DRAGGED the US into WWI - thereby setting the stage for WWII.

    Created the Federal Reserve, which caused the Great Depression.

    Enacted unconstitutional anti-sediction laws criminalizing freedom of expression (see "Eugene Debbs")

    League of Nations failure.

    Others I'm too lazy to list.
    Since everything here is either partially or completely false; I'd say the Mr Woodrow (he kept us out of war) Wilson was quite the President...

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