View Poll Results: Worst Presidents or Worstest?

Voters
58. You may not vote on this poll
  • Millard Fillmore

    2 3.45%
  • Franklin Pierce

    1 1.72%
  • Benjamin Harrison

    0 0%
  • Jimmy Carter

    21 36.21%
  • James Buchanan

    3 5.17%
  • Ronald Reagan

    12 20.69%
  • Other (Describe in your post why)

    19 32.76%
Page 4 of 14 FirstFirst ... 23456 ... LastLast
Results 31 to 40 of 137

Thread: Worst President Ever?

  1. #31
    Sage
    Dav's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Virginia
    Last Seen
    04-16-16 @ 02:36 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    5,539

    Re: Worst President Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Actually, pretty much every president between 1849 and 1881 (with the exception of Lincoln) was downright awful.
    Same with 1963-1981, a period of history I am much more familiar with....

  2. #32
    Banned
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Los Angeles
    Last Seen
    09-22-10 @ 04:36 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    11,430

    Re: Worst President Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, do you?
    Yes, I do.

    The Federal Reserve assumed the responsibility for maintaing the money supply.

    When it was first created, it opened the spigots and the money flowed...ie, it kept interest rates low and was instrumental in preventing a post-war recession and creating the Roaring Twenties.

    Then it got leery about the looming prospect of inflation and shut the money off...ie, jammed interest rates up, causing stock market crashes and runs on banks.

    Why was the Fed created? To provide loans to regional banks to allow them to cover daily operations without cash shortages.

    What did the Fed do when runs on the banks began creating cash shortages? It refused to lend the money....proving to the panicked people that their banks were running out of money and they'd better get their money out immediately.

    The Fed caused the Depression. There's really no debate about this.

    The president has pull. That's his power to affect the Constitutional Amendments. Also, you people blame Bush for the economic failures of 2008, even though the critical legislations were enacted by FDR, Carter, and Clinton. You want it both ways?
    Last edited by Scarecrow Akhbar; 11-05-09 at 10:17 PM.

  3. #33
    Tavern Bartender
    Constitutionalist
    American's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Virginia
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 10:49 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    76,323

    Re: Worst President Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    I see Jimmy Carter is getting his usual bashing in this poll by people who think history started in 1960 and that the worst thing to happen in our history was oil prices going up, a recession, and the hostage crisis in Iran...
    Carter pushed universal healthcare and giving mortgages to those who couldn't pay. He's been a general ****up every since he arrived on the scene.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

  4. #34
    Enemy Combatant
    Kandahar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Washington, DC
    Last Seen
    10-15-13 @ 08:47 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    20,688

    Re: Worst President Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Same with 1963-1981, a period of history I am much more familiar with....
    Meh, they all get a bad rap. None of them was particularly terrible. LBJ and Nixon especially...for all their faults (which shouldn't be ignored), they accomplished some great things.

    Ford was only there a couple years, and didn't really do anything noteworthy...good OR bad. And as for Carter...He certainly wasn't a good president by any means, but I think the worst you can say about him is that he was ineffective. He didn't do anything truly terrible with reverberations lasting for a long time.

    None of them compare to the absolute morons in the White House from 1849-1881 (Lincoln excepted). That era was not one of the United States' finest moments.
    Are you coming to bed?
    I can't. This is important.
    What?
    Someone is WRONG on the internet! -XKCD

  5. #35
    Enemy Combatant
    Kandahar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Washington, DC
    Last Seen
    10-15-13 @ 08:47 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    20,688

    Re: Worst President Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Yes, I do.

    The Federal Reserve assumed the responsibility for maintaing the money supply.

    When it was first created, it opened the spigots and the money flowed...ie, it kept interest rates low and was instrumental in preventing a post-war recession and creating the Roaring Twenties.

    Then it got leery about the looming prospect of inflation and shut the money off...ie, jammed interest rates up, causing stock market crashes and runs on banks.
    Nice to see you agree that high interest rates slow the economy, and low interest rates stimulate it. Very Keynesian of you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar
    Why was the Fed created? To provide loans to regional banks to allow them to cover daily operations without cash shortages.

    What did the Fed do when runs on the banks began creating cash shortages? It refused to lend the money....proving to the panicked people that their banks were running out of money and they'd better get their money out immediately.

    The Fed caused the Depression. There's really no debate about this.
    So then, your argument is that the Fed didn't do ENOUGH. We agree for once! Nice to see such a full-throated endorsement for the Fed's mission from a so-called libertarian!

    I'm curious...if you agree that bailing out banks can prevent or mitigate economic recessions, how can you fault Wilson for creating the Fed? The situation couldn't have been any worse than if the Fed hadn't existed. And surely you couldn't expect Wilson to have known that 20 years later, the Fed would be chaired by do-nothing people instead of people who did the job that you and I agree they should have done?
    Last edited by Kandahar; 11-05-09 at 10:22 PM.
    Are you coming to bed?
    I can't. This is important.
    What?
    Someone is WRONG on the internet! -XKCD

  6. #36
    Traditionalist
    phattonez's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Los Angeles, CA
    Last Seen
    12-05-17 @ 03:45 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    20,072

    Re: Worst President Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    The Fed caused the Depression. There's really no debate about this.


    If you can get through all of the economist-speak it's really a great read. There's no doubt as to what caused the Depression.

    And as for worst president, it's FDR. Bad idea after bad idea after bad idea and then he ordered a firing squad for the Constitution, which is why our government today has no limits. Oh, and did I mention that his campaign to get elected president was a lie? There is no doubt that this guy was the worst (though Lincoln is close).

    Who shall ascend the hill of the Lord? And who shall stand in his holy place? He who has clean hands and a pure heart, who does not lift up his soul to what is false, and does not swear deceitfully. Psalm 24
    "True law is right reason in agreement with nature . . . Whoever is disobedient is fleeing from himself and denying his human nature [and] will suffer the worst penalties . . ." - Cicero

  7. #37
    Banned
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Los Angeles
    Last Seen
    09-22-10 @ 04:36 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    11,430

    Re: Worst President Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Nice to see you agree that high interest rates cause economic problems. Very Keynesian of you.
    You need to improve your reading skills.


    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    So then, your argument is that the Fed didn't do ENOUGH. We agree for once! Nice to see such a full-throated endorsement for the Fed's mission from a so-called libertarian!
    No, my argument was that the Fed CAUSED the Depression.

    Run along and buy a dictionary.

    If the Fed hadn't existed, the Depression could not have happened. Local failures could have occurred in specific economic sectors, a prolonged nationwide collapse across all sectors would not have been possible.

    Like I said, learn how to read.

  8. #38
    Enemy Combatant
    Kandahar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Washington, DC
    Last Seen
    10-15-13 @ 08:47 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    20,688

    Re: Worst President Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    You need to improve your reading skills.




    No, my argument was that the Fed CAUSED the Depression.

    Run along and buy a dictionary.

    If the Fed hadn't existed, the Depression could not have happened. Local failures could have occurred in specific economic sectors, a prolonged nationwide collapse across all sectors would not have been possible.

    Like I said, learn how to read.
    You said that A) the Fed was created to provide loans to banks, B) the Fed was not loaning enough to banks during the Great Depression. That hardly sounds like a rational argument against the Fed's existence. That sounds like you want to out-Fed the Fed. And I would agree. They didn't expand the money supply NEARLY enough during the Depression, which certainly exacerbated the problem.

    How do you then conclude that the Depression could not have happened without the Fed? You stated that the economy was worse because the Fed wasn't loaning money to banks and allowed them to collapse. If the Fed hadn't existed (and thus, there had been no one to fulfill the objective of loaning money to banks, as you stated), how would the economy be better off?
    Last edited by Kandahar; 11-05-09 at 10:27 PM.
    Are you coming to bed?
    I can't. This is important.
    What?
    Someone is WRONG on the internet! -XKCD

  9. #39
    Banned
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Epic Mountain
    Last Seen
    12-28-09 @ 06:07 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    4,384

    Re: Worst President Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Yes, I do.

    The Federal Reserve assumed the responsibility for maintaing the money supply.

    When it was first created, it opened the spigots and the money flowed...ie, it kept interest rates low and was instrumental in preventing a post-war recession and creating the Roaring Twenties.

    Then it got leery about the looming prospect of inflation and shut the money off...ie, jammed interest rates up, causing stock market crashes and runs on banks.

    Why was the Fed created? To provide loans to regional banks to allow them to cover daily operations without cash shortages.

    What did the Fed do when runs on the banks began creating cash shortages? It refused to lend the money....proving to the panicked people that their banks were running out of money and they'd better get their money out immediately.

    The Fed caused the Depression. There's really no debate about this.

    The president has pull. That's his power to affect the Constitutional Amendments. Also, you people blame Bush for the economic failures of 2008, even though the critical legislations were enacted by FDR, Carter, and Clinton. You want it both ways?
    Yeah, under the Clinton Administration, Congress pressured banks to give out higher risk loans to minorities...well...let's just say they should have been renters.

  10. #40
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Last Seen
    02-12-11 @ 12:32 PM
    Lean
    Slightly Liberal
    Posts
    939

    Re: Worst President Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Meh, they all get a bad rap. None of them was particularly terrible. LBJ and Nixon especially...for all their faults (which shouldn't be ignored), they accomplished some great things.

    Ford was only there a couple years, and didn't really do anything noteworthy...good OR bad. And as for Carter...He certainly wasn't a good president by any means, but I think the worst you can say about him is that he was ineffective. He didn't do anything truly terrible with reverberations lasting for a long time.

    None of them compare to the absolute morons in the White House from 1849-1881 (Lincoln excepted). That era was not one of the United States' finest moments.
    What did LBJ do that was so great it outweighed the negatives?

Page 4 of 14 FirstFirst ... 23456 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •