View Poll Results: Worst Presidents or Worstest?

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  • Millard Fillmore

    2 3.45%
  • Franklin Pierce

    1 1.72%
  • Benjamin Harrison

    0 0%
  • Jimmy Carter

    21 36.21%
  • James Buchanan

    3 5.17%
  • Ronald Reagan

    12 20.69%
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    19 32.76%
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Thread: Worst President Ever?

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    Re: Worst President Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Yeah, go back and read the thread.

    I always get the 18th and 19th confused. In fact, the 18th was driven by woman...women who couldn't vote. Look at all the damage the 18th caused, it even saddled the country with Kennedy's in politics.
    Yeah, but at the same time, it is kind of complicated and not really something that we can go and say, "oh, terrible President!" or "oh, terrible congressmen!"

    This was kind of a result of the Cult of Domesticity for the American culture at the time and religious sentiment. Woman's sphere was in the home, and she was given no voice outside of that. Religion mixed with politics, and temperance was the way woman could protect her one and only sphere. To it, women were seen as having the dual responsibility of raising their children correctly and maintain a good household, and alcohol was seen as the vice which attacked it. To some, how could they protect the home and raise their children virtuously if alcohol continued to corrupt the husband and eventually corrupt the children much the same? Women were even blamed for the wrong doings of those that were supposed to be protected via the home. To these women, alcohol was responsible for moral decline, domestic violence, violence outside of the home, and even deaths.

    Alcohol was thus the symbol for unjustified attack on the woman's role in American life, and was also the symbol of men keeping women out of public life while at the same time punishing them for its effects on the people living in the home. So, it also cannot be suggested that once American women finally found something they could acceptably speak out against in public (there is actually a great deal of controversy over the act of being an orator), they didn't enjoy their success perhaps with a little too much zeal. So, yeah, these women could have over stepped the sheer importance of temperance once they discovered they could finally have political clout, but at the same time, this was something they heavily believed in, and over time, the public thought it was virtuous also.
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    Re: Worst President Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Secession was illegal.

    There's constitutional duty of the president to suppress rebellion, and he can suspend the privilege of habeas corpus to do so.
    The president is never allowed to suspend habeas corpus, or else this country stands for nothing.

    Now, forget about the Constitution; why was the North morally obliged to go to war against the South to get that territory back? Also, can you defend the use of the draft in this war?

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    Re: Worst President Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    The president is never allowed to suspend habeas corpus, or else this country stands for nothing.
    That depends on how you interpret Article 1, Section 9:
    The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion, the public safety may require it.
    Of course, Article One is all about Congress, so while it can be implied that it was Congress they were referring to, there's nothing that says who has the power to suspend Habeas Corpus in a rebellion/invasion, and frankly, what difference does it make when Congress would probably have voted for the same action the President took, only it would take much longer to get done?

    Now, forget about the Constitution; why was the North morally obliged to go to war against the South to get that territory back?
    Nobody, Abraham Lincoln included, made this claim. However, the Confederacy attacked the Union's Federal property; they started the war, not the Union.

    Also, can you defend the use of the draft in this war?
    That's kind of an odd thing to ask, seeing as how the draft wasn't completely done away with until the 1970's, more than a hundred years later.

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    Re: Worst President Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    The president is never allowed to suspend habeas corpus, or else this country stands for nothing.
    You are either wrong, or we are living in denial.

    Whereas, It has become necessary to call into service, not only volunteers, but also portions of the militia of the States by draft, in order to suppress the insurrection existing in the United States, and disloyal persons are not adequately restrained by the ordinary processes of law from hindering this measure, and from giving aid and comfort in various ways to the insurrection. Now, therefore, be it ordered, that during the existing insurrection, and as a necessary measure for suppressing the same, all rebels and insurgents, their aiders and abettors within the United States, and all persons discouraging volunteer enlistments, resisting militia drafts, or guilty of any disloyal practice affording aid and comfort to the rebels against the authority of the United States, shall be subject to martial law, and liable to trial and punishment by courts-martial or military commission.

    Second: That the writ of habeas corpus is suspended in respect to all persons arrested, or who are now, or hereafter during the rebellion shall be, imprisoned in any fort, camp, arsenal, military prisons, or other place of confinement, by any military authority, or by the sentence of any court-martial or military commission.

    In witness whereof, I have hereunto set my hand, and caused the seal of the United States to be affixed. Done at the City of Washington, this Twenty-fourth day of September, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-two, and of the Independence of the United States the eighty-seventh.

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    Re: Worst President Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    The president is never allowed to suspend habeas corpus, or else this country stands for nothing.
    "The privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it."

    What document did this line come from, since you claim it isn't in the Constitution?


    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Now, forget about the Constitution; why was the North morally obliged to go to war against the South to get that territory back? Also, can you defend the use of the draft in this war?
    Read the first three words in the Constitution for a clue.

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    Re: Worst President Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Jimmy Carter did no lasting harm?????
    Certainly not enough to qualify him as one of the worst presidents of all time. Losing Iran doesn't even rank that highly on the list of ****-ups...it hardly compares to losing China (Truman) or losing half of one's own country (Buchanan). Most of Carter's mess was just limited to his one term in office and didn't have any long-lasting repercussions.
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    Re: Worst President Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Most of Carter's mess was just limited to his one term in office and didn't have any long-lasting repercussions.
    Only because Carter was followed by someone able to clean up the mess Carter left behind.

    We have to stop electing fools like Carter and Obama and Bush, and concentrate on getting more Reagans to run for office.

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    Re: Worst President Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Only because Carter was followed by someone able to clean up the mess Carter left behind.
    Perhaps, but James Buchanan was followed by a good president and he still managed to do lasting damage.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar
    We have to stop electing fools like Carter and Obama and Bush, and concentrate on getting more Reagans to run for office.
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    Re: Worst President Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Perhaps, but James Buchanan was followed by a good president and he still managed to do lasting damage.



    Whatever.

    Carter was a boob that was and still is a serious threat to national security, and we'll all be safer when he's dead.

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    Re: Worst President Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    I bet you thought you'd see Bush or Obama's name up there...
    Except from Bush, clearly Reagan is the worst. I believe when Arnold Swartzenegger becomes president he will be worse, eventually beat by up and coming first US female president Pamela Anderson and eventually the second one, and adult Britney Spears who tells the nation she will show her vegina if they elect her..

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