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  • Franklin Pierce

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  • Benjamin Harrison

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  • Jimmy Carter

    21 36.21%
  • James Buchanan

    3 5.17%
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Thread: Worst President Ever?

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    Re: Worst President Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Meh, they all get a bad rap. None of them was particularly terrible. LBJ and Nixon especially...for all their faults (which shouldn't be ignored), they accomplished some great things.

    Ford was only there a couple years, and didn't really do anything noteworthy...good OR bad. And as for Carter...He certainly wasn't a good president by any means, but I think the worst you can say about him is that he was ineffective. He didn't do anything truly terrible with reverberations lasting for a long time.

    None of them compare to the absolute morons in the White House from 1849-1881 (Lincoln excepted). That era was not one of the United States' finest moments.
    Jimmy Carter did no lasting harm?????

    We just don't get it. The Left in America is screaming to high heaven that the mess we are in in Iraq and the war on terrorism has been caused by the right-wing and that George W. Bush, the so-called "dim-witted cowboy," has created the entire mess.

    The truth is the entire nightmare can be traced back to the liberal democratic policies of the leftist Jimmy Carter, who created a firestorm that destabilized our greatest ally in the Muslim world, the shah of Iran, in favor of a religious fanatic, the ayatollah Khomeini.

    Carter viewed Khomeini as more of a religious holy man in a grassroots revolution than a founding father of modern terrorism. Carter's ambassador to the UN, Andrew Young, said "Khomeini will eventually be hailed as a saint." Carter's Iranian ambassador, William Sullivan, said, "Khomeini is a Gandhi-like figure." Carter adviser James Bill proclaimed in a Newsweek interview on February 12, 1979 that Khomeini was not a mad mujahid, but a man of "impeccable integrity and honesty."
    http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...cle%2FShowFull

    And he is still at it.

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    Re: Worst President Ever?

    Why is Herbert Hoover not on this list? He was absolutely dreadful.

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    Re: Worst President Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    It's not the same situation. South Carolina was a part of the Union, and Fort Sumter was a part of South Carolina.
    When they seceded from the Union, then shouldn't they have gotten all of the land of their state?
    Fort Sumter didn't belong to the state of South Carolina in the first place; thus, it wasn't part of the "land of their state".


    You're basically arguing that secession is illegal.
    What? How did you possibly reconstruct what I said into that?

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    Re: Worst President Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    You're basically arguing that secession is illegal.

    Secession was illegal.

    There's constitutional duty of the president to suppress rebellion, and he can suspend the privilege of habeas corpus to do so.

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    Re: Worst President Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Secession was illegal.

    There's constitutional duty of the president to suppress rebellion, and he can suspend the privilege of habeas corpus to do so.
    Yes, secession was illegal, BUT the POTUS certainly does NOT have the privilege of suspending the right to habeas corpus. Many presidents have violated this, yes, but it was never a legitimate right to begin with.
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    Re: Worst President Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by vauge View Post
    You do realize that Lincoln suppressed free speech, squashed habeas corpus, and use the government forces to kill American citizens - right? All big no-no's to the constitution.

    Those small mundane "facts" are always glossed over.
    No president, at least not since Jackson, has ever followed the Constitution word by word. Thus, doing something against the Constitution does not automatically make one the worst president ever. Also, just because a president did some bad things doesn't mean they didn't make up for it in other areas- you'll notice that even liberals will admit that FDR treated Japanese Americans unjustly, yet they forgive him for it anyways because there was a major war going on, and extreme actions, justified or unjustified, will inevitably be taken in a war of such a scale. The Civil War, to the Americans, was on an even bigger scale than WWII, so extreme actions would be taken then too.

    Also, since I don't think anybody is claiming that the Confederates were "American citizens" I don't know why you'd claim that Lincoln used government forces to kill "American citizens".

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    Re: Worst President Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Oh yeah - that's just aweful, he passed the 19th Amendment

    You mother would make you eat that.

    Yeah, go back and read the thread.

    I always get the 18th and 19th confused. In fact, the 18th was driven by woman...women who couldn't vote. Look at all the damage the 18th caused, it even saddled the country with Kennedy's in politics.

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    Re: Worst President Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by vauge View Post
    You do realize that Lincoln suppressed free speech,
    So'd Wilson, but Wilson wasn't facing the dissolution of the nation, he simply couldn't tolerate adverse opinion.

    Quote Originally Posted by vauge View Post
    squashed habeas corpus,
    The president has the authority to do that in times of rebellion....oh, wait, the seceding states...they were in rebellion, so the nation was confronted with...a rebellion. So Lincoln did nothing wrong there.

    Quote Originally Posted by vauge View Post
    and use the government forces to kill American citizens - right? All big no-no's to the constitution.
    The President is required to suppress rebellion. The people that wrote the Constitution were under no illusiong that rebels used flower power to promote their causes. Rebellions usually wind up with dead people laying around somewhere.

    Again, Lincoln not only did the right thing, he did the legal thing.

    Remember, the South started the rebellion, not the North.

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    Re: Worst President Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Also, since I don't think anybody is claiming that the Confederates were "American citizens" I don't know why you'd claim that Lincoln used government forces to kill "American citizens".
    Lincoln never acknowledged that they succeeded. They continued to be citizens of the United States according to him.
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    Re: Worst President Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Also, since I don't think anybody is claiming that the Confederates were "American citizens" I don't know why you'd claim that Lincoln used government forces to kill "American citizens".
    The Confederates were American citizens.

    Criminals, but citizens.

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