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    Re: What was the 2009 election lesson

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    As much as I would like to agree....I don't think the Republicans can win without the evangelical/right-wing vote.
    To win...the GOP has to find a way to bring them into their fold while not alienating the moderates and independents. Its not an easy job for the GOP.
    Yes, they can win, they just need to return to their actual conservative roots, boot the religious right to the curb and be an actual political party instead of a mouthpiece for fundamentalist Christians. There are far, far more people who would vote for an actually conservative GOP than they'd ever lose by telling the fundamentalists what to go do with themselves. After all, what other choice does the religious right have?
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    Re: What was the 2009 election lesson

    Quote Originally Posted by RightOfCenter View Post
    It's the changing views of society. Right now it doesn't seem worth it, but as new and younger conservatives join the party and run for office they will see the way the wind is blowing and make the changes necessary to get elected. I don't see social conservatives having very much power at all within the party during the, lets say, 2020 elections.



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    It's going to be an evolving situation, to be sure, and perhaps likely those issues will fall away. However, I see social conservatism lasting for quite some time, if not till the end of our republic. It's just an attitude, not specifically based on issues.
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    Re: What was the 2009 election lesson

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Yes, they can win, they just need to return to their actual conservative roots, boot the religious right to the curb and be an actual political party instead of a mouthpiece for fundamentalist Christians. There are far, far more people who would vote for an actually conservative GOP than they'd ever lose by telling the fundamentalists what to go do with themselves. After all, what other choice does the religious right have?
    I hate to break this to you, but the so-called "religious right" have to vote for someone, unless they all just disappear or collectively leave the country or something. Since most of them are conservatives, they vote for the Republican Party (which is not a "mouthpiece for fundamentalist Christians", or else it would be entirely made up of fundamentalist Christians, which it is not).

    Instead of telling a huge base of voters to leave the party (and essentially telling them to go join the opposing party), it would be a lot smarter to just play down religion as an issue altogether. Of course, this is exactly what is happening. When McDonnell's thesis came up as an issue, nobody defended the thesis, but rather, McDonnell had to repeatedly insist that he no longer believed in the things he said in it to not look like he wanted to violate separation of church and state, which would have made him tremendously unpopular. If he had defended the thesis, he probably wouldn't have gotten elected.
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    Re: What was the 2009 election lesson

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Maybe so, but that still means that the Republicans can win without having to "lose" the "religious right", but rather, just focus less on religious/social issues (and depending on the state, they might not even have to do that). They can do this while still maintaining religious social conservative voters and candidates.
    Can they? I think that is the big question. The GOP has been so afraid of not carrying the evangelical social agenda which is why they have done so.
    The religious right always claim that they will stay home if the GOP doesn't push their agenda.
    I'm not as confident that the GOP can rescue their party from the evangelical right-wing.
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    Re: What was the 2009 election lesson

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Yes, they can win, they just need to return to their actual conservative roots, boot the religious right to the curb and be an actual political party instead of a mouthpiece for fundamentalist Christians. There are far, far more people who would vote for an actually conservative GOP than they'd ever lose by telling the fundamentalists what to go do with themselves. After all, what other choice does the religious right have?
    I would like to believe that you are correct. I'm just not so sure that you are.
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    Re: What was the 2009 election lesson

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Can they? I think that is the big question. The GOP has been so afraid of not carrying the evangelical social agenda which is why they have done so.
    The religious right always claim that they will stay home if the GOP doesn't push their agenda.
    I'm not as confident that the GOP can rescue their party from the evangelical right-wing.
    So what is this "evangelical social agenda" that the GOP carries? I'd like to know what you mean because I think people use terms like "evangelical social agenda" and "religious right" without having a clue what those things even are.

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    Re: What was the 2009 election lesson

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    So what is this "evangelical social agenda" that the GOP carries? I'd like to know what you mean because I think people use terms like "evangelical social agenda" and "religious right" without having a clue what those things even are.
    The religious right/evangelicals are basically two issue voters, potentially 3.
    Anti-gay rights and anti-abortion.
    They generally do not vote on any other issue if they have a candidate that will promote those two issues.
    Obama's election took a little out of the sail....because they thought that with another GOP President pushing their agenda, they could stack the Supreme Court. With Obama having at least 1 more and potentially 2 more nominees within his first term, it is unlikely they will be able to accomplish this anytime soon.
    Still....they have indicated that they will stay home and not vote if the GOP candidate is not strongly in favor of this agenda. I'm not so sure that the GOP is willing to test them at their word.
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    Re: What was the 2009 election lesson

    I chose all options. Why? Because, depending on which side of the fence someone is on, it will be spun in that direction. Nobody wants the truth here. They just want political ammo, and truth be damned.
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    Re: What was the 2009 election lesson

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I chose all options. Why? Because, depending on which side of the fence someone is on, it will be spun in that direction. Nobody wants the truth here. They just want political ammo, and truth be damned.

    Dana....I honestly would like to hear your spin on it. I enjoy reading your posts and think you have a good perspective. Who do you think were the real winners/losers in this election.
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    Re: What was the 2009 election lesson

    What lesson have the elections taught us?


    Nothing has changed except the Public's perception (It does that a lot lol). We still vote for the wrong reasons. The Republic, she is dying.

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