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    Re: The right to -not- exercise a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, the government uses force to prohibit your exercise of your rights. The rights themselves have not been removed.
    Which is a common claim but no one has ever been able to justify it. Rights which cannot be and are not exercised are not rights. I don't know where you people got the bizarre idea that rights are these ethereal things that just float around. They are granted. They can be taken away.
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    Re: The right to -not- exercise a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Which is a common claim but no one has ever been able to justify it. Rights which cannot be and are not exercised are not rights. I don't know where you people got the bizarre idea that rights are these ethereal things that just float around. They are granted. They can be taken away.
    If they are granted, then they are privilege. Thus you are using the wrong word. Rights are reserved by the people, innate and inalienable to their being. They cannot be granted by government, their exercise can be infringed upon through force.
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    Re: The right to -not- exercise a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    My friend just mentioned this to me and I wanted to get your opinions on it:

    "You say no one has a right to health care, and I agree. why is it though that we're given the "right" to an attorney's time when we're arrested and can't afford our own attorney? you have a right to a defense, not a right to an attorney at a cost to others. if the health care system is bad now, wait till it's as bad as the legal system. in many jurisdictions you have to be a registered bar member to represent anybody, and more and more attorneys are jumping on the band wagon thinking this is what's needed to keep the legal system in check. fools."
    Because the state pays for that attorney's time or has them permanently on staff. You don't have a right to pick an attorney at random out of the phone book and demand to speak to that specific attorney without paying for it. That's just the way the legal system has been set up, although let's be honest, the legal system is one of the biggest disasters we have in this country.
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    Re: The right to -not- exercise a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    If they are granted, then they are privilege. Thus you are using the wrong word. Rights are reserved by the people, innate and inalienable to their being. They cannot be granted by government, their exercise can be infringed upon through force.
    People can claim anything they damn well please, doesn't make it so. Reserving the right to get laid 5x a week doesn't mean you're going to. So sure, declare you have any right you want to, whole lot of good it'll do you when everyone else ignores you.
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    Re: The right to -not- exercise a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Which is a common claim but no one has ever been able to justify it. Rights which cannot be and are not exercised are not rights. I don't know where you people got the bizarre idea that rights are these ethereal things that just float around. They are granted. They can be taken away.
    Granted by who?

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    Re: The right to -not- exercise a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Granted by who?
    It's appeal to authority and one of the most dangerous lines of thought out there. It enables terrible authoritative fascism. He with the guns defines the "rights". Except that they aren't rights, it appears as if Cephus does not believe in the existence of rights.
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    Re: The right to -not- exercise a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiveUninhibited View Post
    I think the problem is you believe you earned it.
    Aha. Thats all you needed to say. Thanks for playing.

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    Re: The right to -not- exercise a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Granted by who?
    Granted by the society in which you live. That's why "rights" vary so dramatically from place to place. The idea that there are certain "rights" that exist across all borders and across all times is absurd.
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    Re: The right to -not- exercise a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Granted by the society in which you live. That's why "rights" vary so dramatically from place to place. The idea that there are certain "rights" that exist across all borders and across all times is absurd.
    So you disagree with the idea that there are "human rights". Right?

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    Re: The right to -not- exercise a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's appeal to authority and one of the most dangerous lines of thought out there. It enables terrible authoritative fascism. He with the guns defines the "rights". Except that they aren't rights, it appears as if Cephus does not believe in the existence of rights.
    No, it's an appeal to reality. You keep making these ridiculous claims that you cannot back up and when someone calls you on it, you'd rather insult the individual than admit you were wrong.
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