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Thread: The right to -not- exercise a right?

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    Re: The right to -not- exercise a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I've encountered this argument more from your side in this thread than anyone else.
    As loathe as I am to use Biblical arguments, perhaps you ought to be looking more at the log in your own eye than the speck in anyone else's. You seem to be totally ignoring that.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: The right to -not- exercise a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    As loathe as I am to use Biblical arguments, perhaps you ought to be looking more at the log in your own eye than the speck in anyone else's. You seem to be totally ignoring that.
    -- Still -- looking for your response

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    Re: The right to -not- exercise a right?

    Yea, I'm still waiting for Cephus to explain measuring love in a person's blood, among other things.

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    Re: The right to -not- exercise a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Yea, I'm still waiting for Cephus to explain measuring love in a person's blood, among other things.
    All that huff and puff...

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    Re: The right to -not- exercise a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Nor is there any reason to think they exist at all.

    You know, I was thinking. If "natural rights" exist outside of humanity and outside of human society, how long have they been around? Since the dawn of human civilization? Since the dawn of the universe? Are they seriously expecting us to believe that these "natural rights" hung around for 13.6 or so billion years waiting for mankind to evolve? And when did they start to apply to mankind? Did Neanderthals have rights? Or did it have to wait until Homo erectus or maybe even Homo sapiens to have any application?

    Yet we can keep asking these questions and the best we get from the libertarians is "WE'RE RIGHT! SO THERE!"
    Repeating the same failed argument over and over again doesn't make it right.

    Nobody said that natural rights exist, so you're merely creating a strawman. I've already explained to you that natural law is simply a moral sentiment, hence it doesn't have to "exist" in order for it to be valid.

    Keep thinking you've made some kind of point if it suites you. Lord knows winning an internet argument is much more important than being intellectually honest and whatnot.

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    Re: The right to -not- exercise a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    All that huff and puff...
    Cephus is just too smart for us, I guess. He's so smart that he's managed to refute the philosophies of Jefferson et al. in but a few paragraphs. Quite an impressive feat.

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    Re: The right to -not- exercise a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    As loathe as I am to use Biblical arguments, perhaps you ought to be looking more at the log in your own eye than the speck in anyone else's. You seem to be totally ignoring that.
    Well this I don't think is biblical, but those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: The right to -not- exercise a right?

    Correction: Those in glass houses should throw stones carefully, and through existing holes they have already made.

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    Re: The right to -not- exercise a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Correction: Those in glass houses should throw stones carefully, and through existing holes they have already made.
    I'm not sure how many holes can be created via rock throwing in a glass house before it's structural integrity becomes so compromised that the building collapses.

    We're going to need some glass houses of varying types and a bucket of rocks.
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    Re: The right to -not- exercise a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I'm not sure how many holes can be created via rock throwing in a glass house before it's structural integrity becomes so compromised that the building collapses.

    We're going to need some glass houses of varying types and a bucket of rocks.
    Usually, it's structural integrity stays the same, as with a greenhouse where the strong point is the structure that holds the panes of glass in. Knocking out glass in walls (the glass isn't load bearing) usually just let's the air in...and if you get holes on both sides I guess it makes the house a little more air conditioned...

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