So, I ask again:The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
What part of the text GRANTS the rights mentioned therein?
You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo
Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
What you're asking is where in the Constitution, a document written by people obsessed with the silly notion that some Magic Sky Pixie created them and gave them rights, is it written that rights are GIVEN!!!!
Well, it ain't there.
Right's are the limits placed upon government by what the people will accept. They don't have to be listed in the Table of Contents as "Rights Defined Here" or "Here There be Rights" or "Ye Olde Liste of Rytes".
What's most important to note is that there ain't no "natural" rights, so they always vary from society to society.
In certain societies, captured enemies had the right to be stew. So much for their right to life. In other societies captured terrorists are given rights no sane society would give them.
In other societies, women could not own property. In others, women can own billion dollar corporations.
In other societies, women can't walk outside without wearing a cloak of concealment, in others they can go topless on the beach.
In some societies woman can murder babies who, according to natural rights theorists, have the right to life.
So, the whole BS about "natural rights" is wrong, even if John Locke says otherwise.
Welcome to the world of logic, not emotion.
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How about the state Constitutions, federal law or state laws?
Can you cite where any of those grant us our rights?
Seems to me that by placing a limit on the government's abilitly to interfere with a right, the right is presumed to pre-exist the government.Right's are the limits placed upon government by what the people will accept.
That's not a 'grant' of a right, that's the existence of the right as a given.
Can you show where the rights are granted, or not?
The right is a limit.
Until the government existed, it couldn't have limits placed on it.
The limits to the government are POWERS that the people seek to control, because government is POWER, nothing else.
Start discussing POWER and FORCE and you'll start discussing what it is that the fiction of "rights" are controlling.
Get to the root causes, and try to base your world view on the rational universe, not the feel good emotionalism of religion.
Where is that limit specified?
So you then agree that the right existed -before- government was created, and that, rather than grant that rights, the creation of government did nothing but -restrict- that right, to whatever degree specified and/or allowed within the founding of that government.Until the government existed, it couldn't have limits placed on it.
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