You claimed rights are innate and always exist.
I provided two examples illustrating how this leads to irreconciliable contradictions and some "rights" of today cannot have always existed and that they trump pre-existing rights. Ergo, rights are not innate, they are not eternal, and they're nothing but man made constructs defining human relationships.
The existence of the mother's right to murder babies alienates the right of the baby to live.
The right of the baby to live alienates the right of the mother to murder the baby.
Which one is innate, when either trumps the other?
Last edited by Scarecrow Akhbar; 11-06-09 at 06:18 PM.
For the extreme, protecting all people's rights except for one always trumpts protecting the rights of one individual.
This means that "rights" exist, but only in that there is protections for individuals that should be promoted for as many people as possible.
So even if life isn't a right for an indvidiual for all circumstances, the only time that life for someone is violated is only to protect the rights of someone else. Death penalty as punnishment for violating someone's else's right to their own life.
Last edited by nerv14; 11-06-09 at 11:28 PM.
Nobody has the "right" to goods and services that are the result of others labor unless they have the ability to pay for those goods and services.
If you claim to have the "right" to take and use the services of the doctor, but you do not have the ability to pay said doctor, then that is nothing more than stealing. By extension, you do not have the "right" to confiscate the results of my labor (taxation) to provide those goods and services to someone else. By doing so you are depriving me the "right" to benefit from the results of my labor and by extension you are depriving me of my "right" to provide for my family and better their lives (pursuit of happiness).
Ideally, we should abolish most health insurance and just expand the idea of Health Savings accounts with high deductible catastrophic policies. This would encourage better usage of the health services and would also reinforce the importance of saving for emergencies.
If I get hurt, I promise not to burden any of you with the cost of my care. If I can't afford it, I will not ask for it. Period.
Now, if everyone else would just do the same.
Abortion is a good example; it is a right.The right to -not- exercise a right?
Males and non-pregnant females don't have the capacity to exercise this right, although they still have it.
Pregnant females do have the capacity to exercise this right, although they certainly have the right not to.
Of liberty I would say that, in the whole plenitude of its extent, it is unobstructed action according to our will. But rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law,' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual.
Jefferson on Politics & Government: Inalienable Rights