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Thread: The right to -not- exercise a right?

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    Re: The right to -not- exercise a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    you can never enforce or deny a right for another person. It's not your business.
    I agree with everything else, however, there are some very limited instances where I think that enforcing someone else's right is all of our business, to explain, if someone is being threatened by physical threats or intimidation in my presence, it is my business to enforce their right to life and liberty if I can reasonably stop the threat and it is imminent, as is all of our responsibility, however, this is such a limited scope that it rarely applies and many of us will hopefully never be in such a position. IOW, if someone is being denied an actual right, we protect not only them, but ourselves by backing those rights up.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: The right to -not- exercise a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Is it the right thing to do for a people to remove a 'right' or freedom if they will it democratically?
    You can't remove rights.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: The right to -not- exercise a right?

    1. At this time, the Poll speaks for itself. It's not right to force someone to exercise a right, because then it's not a right it's a requirement, right?
    2. I love the Firechicken display picture you've got there

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    Re: The right to -not- exercise a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Oh, I thought this was about mandatory health insurance.

    Hey! Where's the old dude in your avi?

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    Re: The right to -not- exercise a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    It is.

    If you having a right means you have the right to not exercise said right, and if health care (that is, to buy health insurance) is a right, you must then be against the government requiring you to buy health insurance.

    Really? You have the right to be part of the militia, but you don't have the right to refuse to register for the selective service. If drafted, you don't have the right to refuse to serve, unless given a legal exemption.

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    Re: The right to -not- exercise a right?

    That what I thought, about this "rights" business..
    I voted "other"

    The OP is against federally funded health care...a guess ....

    The more people misbehave, the fewer rights they will have.
    In this case, it is the insurance companies.

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    Re: The right to -not- exercise a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    Really? You have the right to be part of the militia, but you don't have the right to refuse to register for the selective service.
    Oooh! Nice try!!!

    Here's where you fail:
    Selective Service, created under the power to raise armies, has nothing to do with the militia.

    Now, tell me how you agree that you cannot force anyone to exercise thir rights, but support mandating that people exercise their right to health care.

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    Re: The right to -not- exercise a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    That what I thought, about this "rights" business..
    I voted "other"
    Please, explain....

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    Re: The right to -not- exercise a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    It is.

    If you having a right means you have the right to not exercise said right, and if health care (that is, to buy health insurance) is a right, you must then be against the government requiring you to buy health insurance.
    If healthcare were recognized as a right, then single payer would be the only reasonable solution. Of course it's not practical to say we can guarantee absolutely everything in healthcare. Technology will outpace our ability to pay for healthcare more and more over time. So if one recognized BASIC healthcare as a right, the government would provide that to everybody and then things beyond basic could be covered by supplemental, as they have in France.

    The idea of individual mandates is not based upon healthcare being a right, but rather being a responsibility, much like carrying car insurance. If you drive a car, you have a responsibility to carry car insurance, not a right to it. Seeing healthcare as an individual responsibility is based largely upon the fact that people are not allowed to collapse and die in the emergency room due to EMTALA. In fact, the ER can't deny care at all. So people who go without insurance can and often do end up costing the rest of us a lot of money.

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    Re: The right to -not- exercise a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiveUninhibited View Post
    If healthcare were recognized as a right, then single payer would be the only reasonable solution.
    On the contrary - its perfectly reasonable to expect everyone to provide their own means to exercise their rights.

    The idea of individual mandates is not based upon healthcare being a right, but rather being a responsibility, much like carrying car insurance.
    So you argue that you do not have a right to health care...?

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