View Poll Results: Should parents use GPS tracking to monitor their children?

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  • Yes! An implanted chip would be even safer!

    7 11.86%
  • Yes, I think this is a practical way to keep track of kids

    11 18.64%
  • It would be warranted in some cases

    15 25.42%
  • I'm not comfortable with this idea, I don't think so

    16 27.12%
  • Brave New World here we come. They've gotta start them young.

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    Re: Should parents use a GPS tracking device to monitor their children?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    However, even this is irrelevant if you attempt to make an ethical claim that minors have no right to privacy rather than a legal one, which would be prescriptive rather than descriptive. However, you would need to advance an actual argument to support this conclusion, which you have not done.
    Since they declined to comment on the right to privacy of a parents child then you have no basis in law to support your position.

    And I have advanced an arguement. What's more important? Your childs privacy or their safety? Should the right of the parent to protect their child be over ridden by some percieved violation of privacy? For decades now..if not centuries it has been understood that a parent can and often does go into a childs room and look around or listen in on a conversation that they have.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    Do you gather not even the slightest clue that the definition of "abductions" is at least slightly different from the definition of standard kidnappings by virtue of the massive disparity between the two numbers alone?
    In the context that we are talking about they are the same thing. The only difference is that one is "often with a demand for ransom"

    Merriam-Webster defination for kidnap

    Merriam-Webster defination of abduction

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    Your irrational dismissal of general trends is also irrelevant; policy is not formed according to isolated anecdotes.
    I beg to differ. Ever hear of the program called "Amber Alert"? It was created due to an "isolated anecdotes".

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    That contention seems no more valid than mine, especially considering the extreme improbability of kidnapping of children by strangers, compared to the far greater probability of abuse of children by parents.
    Ah but the OP is about a device that is made for both types of kidnappings. Both parental and strangers. The device could help even in the case of parental kidnappings.

    For example: Parents get divoced. Parent A gets custody of child and Parent B is refused any contact with Parent A or the child. A few months go by. Parent B kidnaps the child. Unbeknowest to Parent B Parent A had gotten into the habit of placeing the device in the OP on the child. Due to that child is recovered and Parent B is sent to jail.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    Well, as they say, "I don't know about you but if even one wife/female lover gets kidnapped and is later found dead that is one too many. No matter the statistical probability."
    So what's the problem with being prepared to prevent such atrocities?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    The term "convicted pedophile" implies conviction because of one's status as a pedophile. That's the fallacious element of that post.
    You said and I quote:

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    There's no such thing as a "convicted pedophile," because pedophilia is a paraphilia and mental illness rather than a legal offense.
    If there is no such thing as a "convicted pedophile" then how is it that we have convicted pedophiles? Poor wording on your part.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    That's because of an authoritarian mindset that entails indifference to actual criminal activity. Execution of non-criminal pedophiles (particularly when all indications are that pedophilia is involuntary), is simply a fairly straightforward injustice.
    I have never heard that pedophilia is "involuntary" except by those that wants to make an excuse for it. Normally by the criminals themselves. Or by those that wish to make money off of it.
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    Re: Should parents use a GPS tracking device to monitor their children?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You're dealing with the same sorts of dangers and irrationalities, and while in the south there were many racially motivated lynchings it wasn't limited to just that. In many places, especially out west, the lynchings were based on accusation of crime people thought so "horrible" that there was no point in letting the judicial system getting involved.
    That's why at the start I specifyed "CONVICTED", or caught in the act.

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    Re: Should parents use a GPS tracking device to monitor their children?

    Quote Originally Posted by Elena View Post
    That's why at the start I specifyed "CONVICTED", or caught in the act.
    Convicted requires the court hearing, at which point you can't just "shoot them". "Caught in the act" is subject to many failure modes. Including false reporting.
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    Re: Should parents use a GPS tracking device to monitor their children?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Convicted requires the court hearing, at which point you can't just "shoot them". "Caught in the act" is subject to many failure modes. Including false reporting.
    A convicted pedophile can include those that have gotten out of prison. Which means that you can still catch a convicted pedophile molesting your child or a convicted pedophile can still kidnap a child.
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    Re: Should parents use a GPS tracking device to monitor their children?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Well it's my experience that lesser educated individuals are more prone to intellectual fallacy and poor debate skills.
    Are you telling me you are still in nursery???!!!

    Revisit this topic when you will get over your teen impediments.

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    Re: Should parents use a GPS tracking device to monitor their children?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    A convicted pedophile can include those that have gotten out of prison. Which means that you can still catch a convicted pedophile molesting your child or a convicted pedophile can still kidnap a child.
    If they're out of prison, then they've served their sentence. They've paid debt to what they did. Murdering the person serves no purpose.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Should parents use a GPS tracking device to monitor their children?

    Quote Originally Posted by Elena View Post
    Are you telling me you are still in nursery???!!!

    Revisit this topic when you will get over your teen impediments.
    You brought up my age as if it were relevant to question my experience and maturity. Why can't I question your intellect especially when presented with arguments seeped in emotional tripe and low on rational thought.

    I'm about to graduate with my PhD.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Should parents use a GPS tracking device to monitor their children?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You brought up my age as if it were relevant to question my experience and maturity. Why can't I question your intellect especially when presented with arguments seeped in emotional tripe and low on rational thought.

    I'm about to graduate with my PhD.
    Intellect does not depend on PhDs as you will soon find out, but the views held do depend on age and experience. You haven't got much of either. It is not a dig.
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    Re: Should parents use a GPS tracking device to monitor their children?

    Quote Originally Posted by Elena View Post
    Are you telling me you are still in nursery???!!!

    Revisit this topic when you will get over your teen impediments.
    Quote Originally Posted by Elena View Post
    Intellect does not depend on PhDs as you will soon find out, but the views held do depend on age and experience. You haven't got much of either. It is not a dig.
    Thanks Madam Cleo. Hey, can you also tell me the lotto numbers for tonight?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Should parents use a GPS tracking device to monitor their children?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Thanks Madam Cleo. Hey, can you also tell me the lotto numbers for tonight?
    You expect someone who knows loto numbers to share that knowledge around?

    Naive or what?!

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