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    Re: Deos understanding your enemy make you a terrorist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    And yet we have those whose family, friends, relatives were killed by US forces joining terrorist groups to get revenge. Not all certainly. Not even a majority. But it does happen.
    Yes, that does happen. From my experience it was rare.

    So do you concede your original point?

    You said that when U.S. forces cause collateral damage they are terrorists, which, of course, is insane.

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    Re: Deos understanding your enemy make you a terrorist?

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    Yes, that does happen. From my experience it was rare.

    So do you concede your original point?

    You said that when U.S. forces cause collateral damage they are terrorists, which, of course, is insane.
    Just be glad some of the people who like to indulge in these more extreme examples of moral equivalence aren't writing our laws.

    If they did, a person whose foot slipped off the brakes causing his car to run over a person would receive the same sentence as one who tortured somebody to death.
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    Re: Deos understanding your enemy make you a terrorist?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You can't accomplish any of that, without racking up some kills. There's a direct relation to body counts and levels of enemy activity.
    And once again, you prove your inability to read and comprehended what people write. The issue is not whether or not we have to kill people. The issue is the asinine belief that body count is the measure of success or failure of COIN operations. Something you have argued several times despite being informed of your utter and epic wrongness.

    Seriously. Learn to understand the written English Language for once.
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    Re: Deos understanding your enemy make you a terrorist?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    And once again, you prove your inability to read and comprehended what people write. The issue is not whether or not we have to kill people. The issue is the asinine belief that body count is the measure of success or failure of COIN operations. Something you have argued several times despite being informed of your utter and epic wrongness.

    Seriously. Learn to understand the written English Language for once.
    So, are ignorant enough to think that if our troops are getting hit with a 1:10 kill ratio, that we are in reality winning? Body counts aren't everything, however they are a very important barometer of success. Some of us have the commons sense, experience and education to know that. You do not posess any of those, so I don't expect you to understand why a negative kill ratio is a bad thing.
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    Re: Deos understanding your enemy make you a terrorist?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, are ignorant enough to think that if our troops are getting hit with a 1:10 kill ratio, that we are in reality winning?
    While it has been made painfully clear you have absolutely no concept of what COIN is, you are still failing to recognize just what I am talking about. This likely stems from your consistently proven inability to understand the basic written form of the English language.

    Body counts aren't everything, however they are a very important barometer of success.
    Not when those body counts don't mean much. And especially when you ignore the actual parts of COIN that matter.

    Some of us have the commons sense, experience and education to know that. You do not posess any of those, so I don't expect you to understand why a negative kill ratio is a bad thing.
    Thanks for proving my point. The success of a COIN operation is not measured in body bags. Reliance upon belief that more kills = winning pretty much ignores the history of successful COIN operations in history.

    Furthermore, negative kill ratio doesn't mean much by itself. The British for a time had negative kill ratio in Malaya (I bet you have no idea where that is). But did that mean their operation was failing? No. Especially because they didn't kill many insurgents. They turned them. And especially when the number of soldiers they lost was low anyways. And for an insurgency with near limitless replacements, negative kill ratio is really irrelevant. Clearly, you no understanding of what attrition is.

    Stop pretending you have any understanding of this concept, just as you pretended you had any knowledge of accounting and its aspect in the legal system. Given your posting history here, it's exceptionally questionable if you have a measurable amount of knowledge on any subject whatsoever.

    Come back when you understand English.
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    Re: Deos understanding your enemy make you a terrorist?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, are ignorant enough to think that if our troops are getting hit with a 1:10 kill ratio, that we are in reality winning?
    Has that happened? 1 to 10?

    Body counts aren't everything, however they are a very important barometer of success. Some of us have the commons sense, experience and education to know that.
    In COIN; I wouldn't even say important. It would be an indicator of kinetic activity; you could be totally losing the COIN fight in an area and have a completely superior body count. It's really an irrelevant number in irregular warfare. Now, in conventional warfare, it is very important to know how much of the enemy you have attrited; those numbers can be formulated into enemy unit strength...if there were any conventional conflicts going on.

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    Re: Deos understanding your enemy make you a terrorist?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    While it has been made painfully clear you have absolutely no concept of what COIN is, you are still failing to recognize just what I am talking about. This likely stems from your consistently proven inability to understand the basic written form of the English language.



    Not when those body counts don't mean much. And especially when you ignore the actual parts of COIN that matter.



    Thanks for proving my point. The success of a COIN operation is not measured in body bags. Reliance upon belief that more kills = winning pretty much ignores the history of successful COIN operations in history.

    Furthermore, negative kill ratio doesn't mean much by itself. The British for a time had negative kill ratio in Malaya (I bet you have no idea where that is). But did that mean their operation was failing? No. Especially because they didn't kill many insurgents. They turned them. And especially when the number of soldiers they lost was low anyways. And for an insurgency with near limitless replacements, negative kill ratio is really irrelevant. Clearly, you no understanding of what attrition is.

    Stop pretending you have any understanding of this concept, just as you pretended you had any knowledge of accounting and its aspect in the legal system. Given your posting history here, it's exceptionally questionable if you have a measurable amount of knowledge on any subject whatsoever.

    Come back when you understand English.
    Well, I'm not going to pour out the insults the way you do, but are you seriously suggesting that if the enemy is killing more of your soldiers than you are of the enemy, you wouldn't see that a bad thing and make adjustments to your operations?

    Thank God!, you never served in the military.
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    Re: Deos understanding your enemy make you a terrorist?

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    Now, in conventional warfare, it is very important to know how much of the enemy you have attrited; those numbers can be formulated into enemy unit strength...if there were any conventional conflicts going on.
    I wouldn't even go that far. In a conventional war were one side has near limitless replacements, killing lots of them really doesn't matter if they can get more troops into position quickly. Think of it as like Starcraft's Zerg verse Protoss or for you Warhammer, Eldar vs Tyrannids. When your troops are expensive and hard to replace and your enemies are numerous and cheap, you killing off 50 to losing one when the cost structure for you to them is 1 to 500, you are losing. Sure you know how many you killed, but it really doesn't matter. To win a war, one does not need to kill anyone necessarily. Just remove their capacity to wage a war. That often means destroying infrastructure rather than anything else. Hard to wage war when you have no supplies, no transportation and no support.
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    Re: Deos understanding your enemy make you a terrorist?

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    Has that happened? 1 to 10?



    In COIN; I wouldn't even say important. It would be an indicator of kinetic activity; you could be totally losing the COIN fight in an area and have a completely superior body count. It's really an irrelevant number in irregular warfare. Now, in conventional warfare, it is very important to know how much of the enemy you have attrited; those numbers can be formulated into enemy unit strength...if there were any conventional conflicts going on.
    Are you seriously agreeing that a negative body count is no big deal? That you can deal with the enemy doing more damage to your combat power, than you're doing to his? Is that what you're suggesting, "Captain"?

    Please, tell me it isn't.
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    Re: Deos understanding your enemy make you a terrorist?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Think of it as like Starcraft's Zerg verse Protoss or for you Warhammer, Eldar vs Tyrannids.
    You're not serious?!?...

    Epic Fail!
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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