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    Re: Deos understanding your enemy make you a terrorist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    In the Iraq or Afghanistan war those that are deemed to be terrorists have killed innocent civilians..and not just with suicide bombs by also by guns.
    Right. They INTENDED to terrorize their victims and the community.

    BUT US forces have also killed innocent civilians. Now granted the US forces more than likely did not mean to kill those innocent civilians.
    There are only a handful of cases where U.S. military members maliciously killed innocents. They are in prison for the rest of their lives.

    But does that matter to the relatives of those killed?
    It might not, but I can tell you with absolute certainty that they know the difference.

    Wouldn't they consider it a terrorist act by the US?
    Because terrorism is about intent. Either because of some ideological reason or to serve a purpose other than just to kill.

    Think about what you are suggesting. Every murderer is a terrorist? Hardly. Everyone who accidently kills someone is a terrorist? No.

    Terrorist do not just kill; they terrorize, purposely, for the intent of coercion or intimidation.

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    Re: Deos understanding your enemy make you a terrorist?

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    Link the thread in where this occured. I need to see it to believe it.

    Here is one thread of relevance.

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    http://www.debatepolitics.com/middle...aily-show.html
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    Re: Deos understanding your enemy make you a terrorist?

    So I read the thread and pulled this from gree0232's comments.

    Got it, Hamas is fighting unfair. But guess what, they are fighting, and warriors and soldiers for millenia have realized that you fight the fight that is there, not scream and whine because it is not the fight you want. Hamas, indeed any insurgent group, is not going to line up and let themselves be slaughtered for some Western ideal of war.
    Gree,
    This is what separates us from them.

    You are stating reality that we all know, however, it would seem that you are implicitly approving of it.

    Oh and that "screaming and whining" is people standing against terror, the intentional murder of innocents and barbaric brute force. It flies in the face of natural rights and freedom.

    Terrorists aren't warriors. They aren't soldiers. They are murderers who are too inept and cowardly to fight fair by the internationally accepted law of war.

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    Re: Deos understanding your enemy make you a terrorist?

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    So I read the thread and pulled this from gree0232's comments.



    Gree,
    This is what separates us from them.

    You are stating reality that we all know, however, it would seem that you are implicitly approving of it.

    Oh and that "screaming and whining" is people standing against terror, the intentional murder of innocents and barbaric brute force. It flies in the face of natural rights and freedom.

    Terrorists aren't warriors. They aren't soldiers. They are murderers who are too inept and cowardly to fight fair by the internationally accepted law of war.
    What I find amazing, K.W, is that anybody could interpret such statements in any way OTHER than showing support for terrorist acts. Why else would one ridicule those who do not support terrorism, while honoring these murderers as "warriors"?
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    Re: Deos understanding your enemy make you a terrorist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    What I find amazing, K.W, is that anybody could interpret such statements in any way OTHER than showing support for terrorist acts. Why else would one ridicule those who do not support terrorism, while honoring these murderers as "warriors"?
    Yeah, I almost want to believe he misspoke. I hope he comes on and clears it up.

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    Re: Deos understanding your enemy make you a terrorist?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    He's not wrong though. People here think that COIN operations are judged as successes based on their body count rather then through reduction in insurgent activity, government corruption, education and economic development. Some people here think that killing terrorists in ways that increase the number of new terrorists is productive. Some people have no understanding of how corruption in Vietnam doomed many of the operations there and don't understand why boosting troops after an openly fraudulent election is bad, bad, bad idea. Granted, it's a bad idea, but he's not wrong that many people here are frankly ignorant and stupid.
    You can't accomplish any of that, without racking up some kills. There's a direct relation to body counts and levels of enemy activity.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Deos understanding your enemy make you a terrorist?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You can't accomplish any of that, without racking up some kills. There's a direct relation to body counts and levels of enemy activity.
    Eradication of the enemy will certainly have an effect on their operations, particularly if said insurgent group is small-time.

    It's a lot easier (thus less costly to the counterinsurgent force) to win over the local population so that young, disaffected youth choose NOT to join the insurgency in the first place, which prevents you from having to kill them in the first place, which prevents families greiving the loss of their son, which improves local morale, which plays to the side of the counterinsurgent.

    Petreaus was right when he said "we can't kill our way out of this".

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    Re: Deos understanding your enemy make you a terrorist?

    Knowing your Enemy: Smart; Employing that knowledge to create fear and kill innocent civilians: Terrorism.

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    Re: Deos understanding your enemy make you a terrorist?

    Quote Originally Posted by gree0232 View Post
    No A, I, and several other members of the forum, have been called terrorists, extremists, or some other similiar term found in a theasarus by you.
    This is enough for me to decide that your post is probably filled with lies like the above one, and hence, I have no need to waste my time and debate against your imagination.

    That is, unless you are willing to link to a post made by me, Apocalypse, where I have labeled you, gree0232, as a terrorist.
    Not terrorist supporter, not extremist, a terrorist.
    I stand behind all of my other labels of you, as they hold nothing but truth, but I'll never call you a terrorist unless you'll be picking up a weapon and start killing civilians to promote your political cause.
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    Re: Deos understanding your enemy make you a terrorist?

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    It might not, but I can tell you with absolute certainty that they know the difference.
    And yet we have those whose family, friends, relatives were killed by US forces joining terrorist groups to get revenge. Not all certainly. Not even a majority. But it does happen.
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