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    Re: Are you a jingoist?

    No, [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtXl_TyM6aI"]YouTube - Al Murray Pub Landlord - God Bless America[/ame]

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    Re: Are you a jingoist?

    Warning Strong yet fragarant language[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUdaPNXC_68"]YouTube - Al Murray vs. Americans[/ame]

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    Re: Are you a jingoist?

    Those of you who answered "No", what would say is the problem with being a Jingoist?

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    Re: Are you a jingoist?

    I have excessive bias in judging my country as superior to others
    I view myself as a nationalist/patriot but it doesn't make me a jingoist. My country is superior to other countries, that is a fact.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Are you a jingoist?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I view myself as a nationalist/patriot but it doesn't make me a jingoist. My country is superior to other countries, that is a fact.
    That's exactly what I am starting to think. I don't have excessive pride. But going to the other part of the definition:

    the advocation of the use of threats or actual force against other countries in order to safeguard what they perceive as their country's national interests
    And that does fit me. I think national interests makes for justification of conflict.

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    Re: Are you a jingoist?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    That's exactly what I am starting to think. I don't have excessive pride. But going to the other part of the definition:



    And that does fit me. I think national interests makes for justification of conflict.
    What do you define as national interest?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Are you a jingoist?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    What do you define as national interest?
    National defense and spreading democracy, within limitations. Not so much economic interests, although that helps define geopolitical importance, which is a limitation to spreading democracy.

    Justification for invasion of a country and regime change.
    Bad country: threat to neighbors, WMD history, dictatorship, cruel to people
    Geopolitically important: important neighbors, located in important region <oil>
    In the National Interest: spreading democracy
    Capacity for democratization: educated, economic potantial

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    Re: Are you a jingoist?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    National defense and spreading democracy, within limitations. Not so much economic interests, although that helps define geopolitical importance, which is a limitation to spreading democracy.

    Justification for invasion of a country and regime change.
    Bad country: threat to neighbors, WMD history, dictatorship, cruel to people
    Geopolitically important: important neighbors, located in important region <oil>
    In the National Interest: spreading democracy
    Capacity for democratization: educated, economic potantial
    I do not think using military force for those things make anyone a jingoist in a bad sense.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Are you a jingoist?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I do not think using military force for those things make anyone a jingoist in a bad sense.
    Well, in honesty, I did express support for Manifest Destiny, when Agna called me a jingoist. But my support is more based on the fact the the US needed to settle the land before other European powers intervened, than it was the elimination and forced relocation of the Indians.

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    Re: Are you a jingoist?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I do not think using military force for those things make anyone a jingoist in a bad sense.
    really? i have never understood why people believe it's acceptable to invade a country because they have the capacity for democracy.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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