View Poll Results: Did you vote in Nov 2009 US elections?

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  • Voted absentee ballot

    4 13.33%
  • Voted early voting

    1 3.33%
  • Voted on election day at the polls

    8 26.67%
  • Skipped b/c lack of knowledge of candidates/issues

    4 13.33%
  • Skipped b/c I didn't care

    6 20.00%
  • Meant to vote and missed it

    1 3.33%
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    6 20.00%
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Thread: Did you vote in Nov 2009 elections?

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    Re: Did you vote in Nov 2009 elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Loin View Post
    So you share a commonality with some who participate in political debate forums, but NOT the political process? Kinda a self defeating political philosophy if ever I've seen one. One is kinetic and one is static. Or one is active and one ain't? Guess which I am and you are?
    Merely a matter of helping provide political development to others through my commentary as well as refine my own perspective if I ever gained more significant public status, so that I'd be able to defend my own views more skillfully. Contributing a single number to a vote count that includes millions is absolutely useless, however.

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    Re: Did you vote in Nov 2009 elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    He's right when he points out that the odds that your vote will ever make the difference in any election more important than dogcatcher are roughly akin to the odds of being struck by lightening while having sex with Fran Drescher. In terms of political theory, voting is entirely irrational unless you assign some significant value to the feeling of civic pride that you enjoy.
    I disagree and frankly find your position to be irrational. But then I am never truly shocked at the length and contortions those who oppose "voting" go to about "voice" and counting. Also, actual living human beings (some of my family) have died to protect and make possible my (and your) right to vote. You throw yours away if you wish, I won't. Nor will I embrace your lithe dismissal of the same or the shortsightedness inherent in it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    Merely a matter of helping provide political development to others through my commentary as well as refine my own perspective if I ever gained more significant public status, so that I'd be able to defend my own views more skillfully. Contributing a single number to a vote count that includes millions is absolutely useless, however.
    So why bother with democracy then, or what exactly is the Jedi wisdom you seek to impart here?

    So the lesson is relegate your political voice to internet forums? Do tell, do elaborate either of you. I'm game.

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    Re: Did you vote in Nov 2009 elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Loin View Post
    So why bother with democracy then, or what exactly is the Jedi wisdom you seek to impart here?

    So the lesson is relegate your political voice to internet forums? Do tell, do elaborate either of you. I'm game.
    Why bother with republicanism, rather, since it is that form of indirect, representative "democracy" that has created a detachment between the political class and the general population? When it comes to influence on political change, I'd advocate direct action such as strikes, walkouts, protests, and civil disobedience, with electoral participation being largely ineffective and therefore useless.

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    Re: Did you vote in Nov 2009 elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Loin View Post
    I disagree and frankly find your position to be irrational. But then I am never truly shocked at the length and contortions those who oppose "voting" go to about "voice" and counting. Also, actual living human beings (some of my family) have died to protect and make possible my (and your) right to vote. You throw yours away if you wish, I won't. Nor will I embrace your lithe dismissal of the same or the shortsightedness inherent in it.
    I don't "oppose" voting, as I've voted in every election that I've been eligible for. However, I do so with full knowledge that my vote will mean nothing and that I'm doing it for reasons other than a desire for my voice to be heard. Statistically speaking, everything in my above statement is 100% true. If you still decide to vote, you're either acting irrationally or you place a value on voting that surpasses the costs of voting, much like I do. Based on your statement, it sounds like you value voting highly enough to make it rational for you.
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    Re: Did you vote in Nov 2009 elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    Why bother with republicanism, rather, since it is that form of indirect, representative "democracy" that has created a detachment between the political class and the general population? When it comes to influence on political change, I'd advocate direct action such as strikes, walkouts, protests, and civil disobedience, with electoral participation being largely ineffective and therefore useless.
    So tell me again, how your voice, counts in any measurable way, outside of esoteric internet philosophical arguments, in the *real world* if you can. And mine does not? You will of course pardon me from noting the mathematical issues with your stance. Or how far down this rabbit hole are you willing to go?

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    Re: Did you vote in Nov 2009 elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Loin View Post
    So tell me again, how your voice, counts in any measurable way, outside of esoteric internet philosophical arguments, in the *real world* if you can. And mine does not? You will of course pardon me from noting the mathematical issues with your stance. Or how far down this rabbit hole are you willing to go?
    For one thing, through political commentary outside of the Internet, though I'm not Limbaugh'ing it up by any means. For another thing, you're merely repeating previously rebutted assertions at this point.

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    Re: Did you vote in Nov 2009 elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I don't "oppose" voting, as I've voted in every election that I've been eligible for. However, I do so with full knowledge that my vote will mean nothing and that I'm doing it for reasons other than a desire for my voice to be heard. Statistically speaking, everything in my above statement is 100% true. If you still decide to vote, you're either acting irrationally or you place a value on voting that surpasses the costs of voting, much like I do. Based on your statement, it sounds like you value voting highly enough to make it rational for you.
    I do so knowing that my vote actually contributes to a flawed system, which in all of those I have encountered in my years and travels, I'd rather live under than any other. And allow me to state that it is only on the internet that one can find people so ready to dismiss the basic precepts that so many have died and suffered to protect, so disposable and owing to political philosophy.
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    Re: Did you vote in Nov 2009 elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    For one thing, through political commentary outside of the Internet, though I'm not Limbaugh'ing it up by any means. For another thing, you're merely repeating previously rebutted assertions at this point.
    Deflecting and ignoring time eh?

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    Re: Did you vote in Nov 2009 elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Loin View Post
    I do so knowing that my vote actually contributes to a flawed system, which in all of those I have encountered in my years and travels, I'd rather live under than any other.
    So like I said, it sounds like you place a high value on the act of voting, which makes it rational for you. You should understand that that doesn't apply to everyone.

    And allow me to state that it is only on the internet and that one can find people so ready to dismiss the basic precepts that so many have died and suffered to protect, so disposable and owing to politcal philosophy. doh
    On the internet or in any basic political theory class. Again, what I'm saying is in no way controversial if you understand my point.
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    Re: Did you vote in Nov 2009 elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Loin View Post
    Deflecting and ignoring time eh?
    No. You haven't said anything new. After I noted that your vote had absolutely no influence one way or the other, you had no response to this.

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