View Poll Results: Is "Islamic Terrorism" Dependent on or Independent of U.S. Foreign Policy?

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    "Islamic Terrorism" - Dependent or Independent?

    Would the phenomenon commonly referred to as "Islamic terrorism" continue to be directed against U.S. targets at existing levels regardless of U.S. political regimes' foreign policy and support of the Israeli government due to an inherent hatred of civil rights/liberties, religious pluralism and relative secularism, and political freedoms on the part of certain Muslims?

    EDIT: I'm not necessarily asking what would happen if foreign policy approaches were changed now. Try to answer as though responding to the question of whether such terrorism would have been initiated in the first place if certain foreign policy had never existed in the first place.
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    Re: "Islamic Terrorism" - Dependent or Independent?

    I think it's very dependent upon our history. The West at large has f'd with that region for decades. We made it our play thing, carved it up for what we wanted. During the Cold War, we used it as our faux war playground. Aggressive intervetionist policy has done quite the job at fostering negative, anti-American, anti-West attitude in the region. Would it be zero if we had acted better? I don't know, there's always pissed off people for one reason or another. But it couldn't be supported on such a large scale without our interventionist policies.

    People who disagree basically are saying that actions have no consequence; which is of course absurd.
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    Re: "Islamic Terrorism" - Dependent or Independent?

    Well, let me put it this way...

    When was the last time Islamic terrorists threatened to blow up anything in Switzerland?

    Of course a country's foreign policy matters greatly.
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    Re: "Islamic Terrorism" - Dependent or Independent?

    It existed before the US was a nation.

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    Re: "Islamic Terrorism" - Dependent or Independent?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    It existed before the US was a nation.
    Oh yeah?
    You'll have no problem citing many examples of it then.

    And please do not cite wars against countries and/or the crusades.


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    Re: "Islamic Terrorism" - Dependent or Independent?

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Oh yeah?
    You'll have no problem citing many examples of it then.

    And please do not cite wars against countries and/or the crusades.
    Islamic terrorism is just the current for of Islamic Supremacist Imperialism so why shouldn't we bring up previous wars of aggression initiated by Islamic Imperialists? Anyway how about the Muslim pirate attacks against U.S. shipping off the African coast which led to the Barbary wars?

    I think that Islamic terrorism has less to do with our foreign policy than it does with the foreign policy of the Islamists IE expansionism through offensive Jihad.

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    Re: "Islamic Terrorism" - Dependent or Independent?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    Well, let me put it this way...

    When was the last time Islamic terrorists threatened to blow up anything in Switzerland?

    Of course a country's foreign policy matters greatly.
    Then explain this:

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    Re: "Islamic Terrorism" - Dependent or Independent?

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Oh yeah?
    You'll have no problem citing many examples of it then.

    And please do not cite wars against countries and/or the crusades.
    Is Islam a religion, a political ideology, or both? Does the Quran not impose an obligation on believers to pursue the expansion of Dar al Islam until there is no law on Earth other than Sharia? Can one be a faithful Muslim if he or she abjures this obligation?

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    Re: "Islamic Terrorism" - Dependent or Independent?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    I think that Islamic terrorism has less to do with our foreign policy than it does with the foreign policy of the Islamists IE expansionism through offensive Jihad.
    Only fools think the foreign policy of countries do not cause consequences and reactions and in many ways a backlash.

    US and many countries in Europe, especially UK in particular has ****ed around with the Middle East as if it is its own little playground to muck around with.
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    Re: "Islamic Terrorism" - Dependent or Independent?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    I didn't say there were no radicals in Switzerland. You'd be hard pressed to find one single Western country where there are no Islamic radicals. If you read the article the people that have been arrested so far were not plotting attacks against Swiss targets. They were going after Spain and Israel.

    There's very little incentive for terrorists to strike Switzerland. It would be a senseless target. Attacking a country like Switzerland will have absolutely zero effect on their agenda. I'm not saying we're immune to a terrorist attack, no country is. But we're certainly a lot less of a target than the US, UK and other European countries.
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