View Poll Results: Is "Islamic Terrorism" Dependent on or Independent of U.S. Foreign Policy?

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  • Dependent. Such terrorism would likely not exist if U.S. foreign policy were different.

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  • Independent. Islamic terrorism would exist at current levels regardless.

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    Re: "Islamic Terrorism" - Dependent or Independent?

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Is Islam a religion, a political ideology, or both? Does the Quran not impose an obligation on believers to pursue the expansion of Dar al Islam until there is no law on Earth other than Sharia? Can one be a faithful Muslim if he or she abjures this obligation?
    Yes you can be a faithful Muslim. I'm not about to start war with any country in the West because as a Muslim, i see myself as having no obligation to do this.
    Is Muslims being killed en mass in UK? No.
    Are we being forbidden to practice our faith? Suffering oppression? No and no.

    Jihad is not compulsory.


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    Re: "Islamic Terrorism" - Dependent or Independent?

    The only way we can prevent any form of hostility towards the U.S. is if we were completely isolationist, which isn't going to happen.

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    Re: "Islamic Terrorism" - Dependent or Independent?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Islamic terrorism is just the current for of Islamic Supremacist Imperialism so why shouldn't we bring up previous wars of aggression initiated by Islamic Imperialists? Anyway how about the Muslim pirate attacks against U.S. shipping off the African coast which led to the Barbary wars?

    I think that Islamic terrorism has less to do with our foreign policy than it does with the foreign policy of the Islamists IE expansionism through offensive Jihad.
    Are you saying that the goal of some ragtag pirates on the Barbary Coast - which stole cargo from ships - was "expansionism through offensive jihad"?
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    Re: "Islamic Terrorism" - Dependent or Independent?

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Yes you can be a faithful Muslim. I'm not about to start war with any country in the West because as a Muslim, i see myself as having no obligation to do this.
    Is Muslims being killed en mass in UK? No.
    Are we being forbidden to practice our faith? Suffering oppression? No and no.

    Jihad is not compulsory.
    I asked you three questions. You answered the third question. Thank you for the reply. With all due respect I ask that you answer the first two questions I posed for you. Thank you for your courtesy and cooperation.

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    Re: "Islamic Terrorism" - Dependent or Independent?

    The first take on it would be that;
    If the US wouldn't be following its current foreign policy - it'd probably be following another.
    An empire the size of the US cannot practically stay out of international affairs and become an isolationist, that's just not realistic.
    And since the US would be involved in issues around the world, including Muslim countries, terrorists are still expected to attack America and American targets in what they'd describe as "The honorable resistance to the interventionist policy of the Great Devil's policy" -- which, in humanity's definition, would be "The murdering of innocent people based on their nationality in an inhuman act that could only be described as barbarism".

    The second take on this would be that;
    Terrorists, as individuals, are mostly irrational beings that are capable of the murdering of innocents based on their nationality merely in order to promote a political agenda.
    Such beings certainly wouldn't need a big reason to attack American targets, it would indeed be enough that an individual associated with America would even say something that those spoken beings would perceive as "offensive to Islam" and a terrorist attack would be on its way, or at least an increase in tensions between groups in the Muslim world and America that, if increased with the time, would lead to the same result.

    One should remember though, that the situation described in the second 'case' is really irrelevant, as once again, an empire such as the US cannot be an isolationist, that's just not possible.
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    Re: "Islamic Terrorism" - Dependent or Independent?

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    I asked you three questions. You answered the third question. Thank you for the reply. With all due respect I ask that you answer the first two questions I posed for you. Thank you for your courtesy and cooperation.
    To answer your first question; Islam is a political ideology drawn from a culture drawn from a religion.
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    Re: "Islamic Terrorism" - Dependent or Independent?

    It is very dependent on our foreign policy. We and other western nations have a long history of sticking our noses where they don't belong in the Middle East, propping up various pro-western regimes, etc. We need to leave those people alone and let them determine how they want to live their lives. If they want to be a bunch of primitive asshats, fine by me, it's their lives.

    We have zero business whatsoever being involved with the Middle East, period.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: "Islamic Terrorism" - Dependent or Independent?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    We have zero business whatsoever being involved with the Middle East, period.
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    Re: "Islamic Terrorism" - Dependent or Independent?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    To answer your first question; Islam is a political ideology drawn from a culture drawn from a religion.
    How dare you interfere with my cross-examination.

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    Re: "Islamic Terrorism" - Dependent or Independent?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
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