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  • social conservative, economic conservative, aggressive foreign policy

    2 5.56%
  • social conservative, economic conservative, internationalist foreign policy

    3 8.33%
  • social liberal, economic conservative, aggressive foreign policy

    8 22.22%
  • social liberal, economic conservative, internationalist foreign policy

    7 19.44%
  • social conservative, economic liberal, aggressive foreign policy

    3 8.33%
  • social conservative, economic liberal, internationalist foreign policy

    1 2.78%
  • social liberal, economic liberal, aggressive foreign policy

    2 5.56%
  • social liberal, economic liberal, internationalist foreign policy

    10 27.78%
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    Re: What is your politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    I am interested in breaking down the binary liberal-conservative split into more meaningful categories.
    I selected social liberal, economic conservative, aggressive foreign policy.

    I think that as long as it physically hurts no one else then a person should be able to do anything that they want to do.

    I believe that "spending will fix our economy" is about as idiotic as teets on a boar hog. I believe that the government should spend only what is needed to be spent for absolute survival. Beyond that leave it up to the people and free market.

    I believe that if we are going to go to war then everything and anything should be used in order to not only survive the war but also win it as quickly as possible with as little of our blood being spilt as possible. Even if it means using a nuke or two. That kind of agressiveness I think will deter anyone else from messing with us....at least until people forget and need to be reminded again.
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    Re: What is your politics?

    This has been a great thread so far and I just want to thank everyone for their contributions and for not being an ideologue! Amazing how much interesting information can be exchanged when people aren't yelling at each other. I expect to be in disagreement in some areas with anyone I meet. That's not to say my views are out there on the fringe, but it's a healthy mixture. I expect the same for others, unless they are an ideologue. The proof is somewhat demonstrated by the spread of answers to this limited poll. I wish I had thought to add "non-interventionist foreign policy" and just dropped the social and economic classifications. Sorry about that.

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    Re: What is your politics?

    Congratulations, you've created the most generic thread in the history of message boards. No easy task.

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    Re: What is your politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Libs_Luv_Weakness View Post
    Congratulations, you've created the most generic thread in the history of message boards. No easy task.
    I worked hard at it.

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    Re: What is your politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    I worked hard at it.
    For what it's worth, the 4th selection from the top is most in line with the constitution.

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    Re: What is your politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Libs_Luv_Weakness View Post
    For what it's worth, the 4th selection from the top is most in line with the constitution.
    You mean: social liberal, economic conservative, internationalist foreign policy? So, I have to ask, how does the constitution specify an internationalist foreign policy?

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    Re: What is your politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    You mean: social liberal, economic conservative, internationalist foreign policy? So, I have to ask, how does the constitution specify an internationalist foreign policy?
    It outlines a stance of non-interventionism. The foreign policy views described in the Constitution are very similar to those of Ron Paul.

    It's too bad that view is outdated, being that our greatest threat is nuclear proliferation.
    Last edited by Libs_Luv_Weakness; 10-29-09 at 09:22 AM.

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    Re: What is your politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Libs_Luv_Weakness View Post
    It outlines a stance of non-interventionism. The foreign policy views described in the Constitution are very similar to those of Ron Paul.

    It's too bad that view is outdated, being that our greatest threat is nuclear proliferation.
    I will generally concur with this. Much like liberals take the "general welfare" clause out of context....Hawks take the "provide for the national defense" out of context as well.

    Nukes are the single most dangerous threat to Americans.

    A nuke captured by terrorists, put in a connex and shipped into NY Harbor.

    Our worst nightmare.

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    Re: What is your politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Libs_Luv_Weakness View Post
    It outlines a stance of non-interventionism. The foreign policy views described in the Constitution are very similar to those of Ron Paul.

    It's too bad that view is outdated, being that our greatest threat is nuclear proliferation.
    I see. I have heard of this policy preference before. A quik websearch found Constitution Party Platform Policy:

    "Europe has a set of primary interests, which have to us none, or very remote relation. Hence, she must be engaged in frequent controversies, the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence, therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves, by artificial ties, in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations and collusions of her friendships or enmities. "Why forego the advantages of so peculiar a situation? Why quit our own to stand upon foreign ground? Why, by interweaving our destiny with that of any part of Europe, entangle our peace and prosperity in the toils of European ambition, rivalship, interest, humor, or caprice?" (George Washington's Farewell Address)

    "I deem [one of] the essential principles of our government, and consequently [one] which ought to shape its administration,…peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none." Thomas Jefferson-First Inaugural Address. Bergh 3:321. (1801.)

    "America has abstained from interference in the concerns of others, even when the conflict has been for principles to which she clings....She goes not abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own." (John Quincy Adams, Speech Delivered in Washington DC 04 July 1821)

    "In the wars of European powers in matters relating to themselves we have never taken any part, nor does it comport with our policy so to do....Our policy in regard to Europe...is, not to interfere in the internal concerns of any of its powers..." (James Monroe, Monroe Doctrine)
    I note that the Monroe Doctrine was all about intervening in Latin America, was it not?

    These quotes specify an aversion to European entanglements, because "Hence, she [Europe] must be engaged in frequent controversies, the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns". For reasons like you mention: nuclear proliferation, as well as economic concerns like access to oil and free shipping lanes, our interests are entwined with countries especially like the ME which impacts all three example reasons.

    The Foreign Policy Agenda of the US Dept of State is:
    to create a more secure, democratic, and prosperous world for the benefit of the American people and the international community.
    So from my perspective, and I could be forcing this a bit, is that we can assume an aggressive foreign policy to nation build and spread democracy, in geopolitically important areas like the ME, with countries that have the capacity for democracy, like Iraq. It is in our interests.

    Would that not be inline with the constitution? Do you have a link which could explain this?

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    Re: What is your politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    So from my perspective, and I could be forcing this a bit, is that we can assume an aggressive foreign policy to nation build and spread democracy, in geopolitically important areas like the ME, with countries that have the capacity for democracy, like Iraq. It is in our interests.

    Would that not be inline with the constitution? Do you have a link which could explain this?
    Ok, well why not Somalia? Sudan? What about Yemen?

    Where does it end?

    North Korea has an insane and rogue dictator WITH NUKES! Why not him?

    We don't have enough troops for all of your plans, bro.

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