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  • social conservative, economic conservative, aggressive foreign policy

    2 5.56%
  • social conservative, economic conservative, internationalist foreign policy

    3 8.33%
  • social liberal, economic conservative, aggressive foreign policy

    8 22.22%
  • social liberal, economic conservative, internationalist foreign policy

    7 19.44%
  • social conservative, economic liberal, aggressive foreign policy

    3 8.33%
  • social conservative, economic liberal, internationalist foreign policy

    1 2.78%
  • social liberal, economic liberal, aggressive foreign policy

    2 5.56%
  • social liberal, economic liberal, internationalist foreign policy

    10 27.78%
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    Re: What is your politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Everyone should pay tax and this covers missing taxes from undeclared income. Most importantly it doesn't disproportionately hurt those who can bear it least, it makes is equitable.
    First part I'll grant, and it's a fair point.

    Second part? Equitable? Necessary expenditures represent a far greater portion of the low income household's budget, even assuming that the high income household will be consuming luxury versions of the same items. The person with the high income can afford to save money, to invest, and many of their consumption expenditures are optional. The poor person ends up paying a far higher portion of his income in taxes than the wealthy person, on simple commodities necessary for his livelihood.

    How's that equitable?

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    I just wish we weren't so puritanical. There was a thread here on DP where someone was naked in their home with an open window and a passing lady called the cops who busted the door down to charge him. That's ridiculous.
    Agreed. The woman should have been charged with false reporting and voyeurism-- the latter not because she looked and saw the naked man, but because she didn't have the decency to pretend that she hadn't. On the other hand? If you're going to be naked in your house, close the blinds. It's not too much to ask.

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    That is part of the price you pay in a Democracy. Inefficiency and corruption. Still beats out not being able to vote somebody out of office.
    I'm not so sure of that. Of course, the big problem lies when an undemocratic government becomes inefficient and corrupt. Any functional system needs to have corrective measures in place for this... but our system clearly does not work, because the inefficient and corrupt are returned to office time and time again. Only a conviction slows them down... and then it doesn't always stop them.

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    I totally disagree with this. I believe this country is a rock, even with all of the bickering and bad decisions and policy shifts we see.
    And I believe we'll outlive it. I'd offer to make a wager on it, but if I'm right then the wagered sum would be meaningless and worthless. I suppose we'll simply wait and see.

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    Re: What is your politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    First part I'll grant, and it's a fair point.

    Second part? Equitable? Necessary expenditures represent a far greater portion of the low income household's budget, even assuming that the high income household will be consuming luxury versions of the same items. The person with the high income can afford to save money, to invest, and many of their consumption expenditures are optional. The poor person ends up paying a far higher portion of his income in taxes than the wealthy person, on simple commodities necessary for his livelihood.

    How's that equitable?
    That's the point. You don't want to tax income that will be reinvested as capital. That's what creates jobs and growth. Equitable in that each pays the same percentage for consumption. The higher income person probably buys more stuff: nice car, house, etc, so he will pay a higher portion than the poor person.

    Note that corporations would also pay tax on expeditures.


    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    I'm not so sure of that. Of course, the big problem lies when an undemocratic government becomes inefficient and corrupt. Any functional system needs to have corrective measures in place for this... but our system clearly does not work, because the inefficient and corrupt are returned to office time and time again. Only a conviction slows them down... and then it doesn't always stop them.
    Some of the inefficient are returned to office, not all. And they do good for the people sending them there with pork and such, so they are not entirely negative.


    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    And I believe we'll outlive it. I'd offer to make a wager on it, but if I'm right then the wagered sum would be meaningless and worthless. I suppose we'll simply wait and see.
    The deficit does look imposing.

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    Re: What is your politics?

    If I had to blatantly generalize my views into meaningless categories against my better judgement:

    social moderate, economic conservative, aggressive foreign policy.

    But for the purpose of the poll I went with social liberal.
    Last edited by Dav; 10-28-09 at 09:24 PM.

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    Re: What is your politics?

    To Korimyr and Reefedjib: very intresting discussion between the two of you, kudos to both for bringing forward many intresting points while remaining very civil.

    I don't fit the available options very well. In my personal life I am very much a "social conservative". Politically, I am socially conservative on some things, libertarian on some things, and moderate on others. For the most part I don't wish to impose my values on others through the force of law, and wish the same protection for myself. For inconsistency's sake, I have a couple of issues that some might consider legislating morality: I oppose abortion and oppose redefining marriage to suit the homosexual minority. My own views are that rather than legislating morality, one of those issues is about preserving innocent life and the other is about not letting a tiny minority impose their agenda on the majority to change a millennia-old institution.

    Economically I'm pretty conservative... except that I've come to the conclusion that progressive taxation, as long as the curve isn't too extreme, is probably sensible and fair. Where I think we go wrong is that everybody should have to pay a little something, but the enormously wealthy whose income is mostly or entirely capital gains should have to pay as much as the middle class... as it is, too often the small-businessman making $250,000 gives up nearly half his income in taxes of different sorts while the Hines heiress worth hundreds of millions pays fifteen percent. We need to flatten the curve a bit.

    Also I think government aid ought to be of the "hand up" variety, not the "hand out" variety, and ought to be more limited in several regards, if we're going to do it at all. Strictly speaking it isn't Constitutional for the Fed to do charity; it should be a State issue.

    Foreign policy...there's the rub. I'm conflicted on foreign policy. By nature I'm an isolationist. By experience I'm inclined to retaliate viciously for any attacks on us, and to pre-empt if we know someone is gunning for us. Nation-building/democratizing... well it worked with Japan and Germany, but we had little choice about fighting them really. Whether it will work out in Afgan and Iraq I don't know, we'll see.
    I tend to oppose internationalism for much the same reasons Vauge listed.
    The thing is, in trying to play chess on the board of the world, with nations as our pawns and pieces, we've demonstrated some pretty remarkable incompetence and inconsistency. It's a good thing we have overwhelming force on our side, because subtlety and finesse have clearly not been strong points of our State Department, Presidents and CIA/et al, for oh, say, fifty years or more.

    Sometimes I think we'd do better to take Jefferson's advice and make like Switzerland used to be: a neutral who will gladly trade with anyone but who doesn't get involved in other nation's politics or wars.

    If we're attacked or threatened I think we should retalitate viciously and inflict great destruction on whoever perpetrated the attack... and anyone who enabled it in any way... and if we drop a few bombs on anyone who cheered our injury as we pass over, that's okay too. Otherwise, we should probably leave "the game of thrones" alone...we aren't really very good at it.

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    Re: What is your politics?

    I still feel I am much identified with the left on a great many issues in all of those categories. In much the same way, I can feel I identify with the right in those same categories, but there's too many issues to separate for this thread. The only strange thing I really noticed was that in both counts, with foreign policy, I am either aggressive or realist-which for contemporary politics, seems to be something either envisioned classically conservative or neoconservative.
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    Re: What is your politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Sometimes I think we'd do better to take Jefferson's advice and make like Switzerland used to be: a neutral who will gladly trade with anyone but who doesn't get involved in other nation's politics or wars.
    I'm not convinced that it's even possible to be neutral and be involved in international trade at the same time. Switzerland can get away with it because it's so small, but we are an economic superpower and decisions we make regarding trade will affect the entire world.

    I'm a bit fuzzy on my early-U.S. history but I believe that it was Jefferson's decisions regarding international trade that led to the War of 1812... if this is true it's pretty ironic. In any case, the guy certainly wasn't very effective in the area of foreign policy so I'm not sure taking his advice on it is such a great idea.

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    Re: What is your politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    I'm not convinced that it's even possible to be neutral and be involved in international trade at the same time. Switzerland can get away with it because it's so small, but we are an economic superpower and decisions we make regarding trade will affect the entire world.

    I'm a bit fuzzy on my early-U.S. history but I believe that it was Jefferson's decisions regarding international trade that led to the War of 1812... if this is true it's pretty ironic. In any case, the guy certainly wasn't very effective in the area of foreign policy so I'm not sure taking his advice on it is such a great idea.



    A well-made point sir.

    You may be right. Given the fact that we export a lot, and import a huge amount, it may not be possible to avoid playing world-politics...since those politics can have a huge impact on our economy, and since our trade policies can have a huge impact on the world.

    As it is though, we've made a lot of poor choices in international diplomacy and statesmanship over the last five decades... if we're going to play the game, we need to get a lot better at it. Also, if we're going to play that game, we'd better just accept the fact that sometimes we're going to have to go to war, not for some "noble cause", but to protect our own economic intrests...ie we might have to decide that "blood for oil" is not a dirty word.

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    Re: What is your politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    You left out social liberal, economic conservative, "stay-out-of-other-countries'-business" foreign policy.
    Thats right where I would fit in.

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    Re: What is your politics?

    I'm an anti-federalist so none of the options apply to me accurately.

    Basically, while many people are mentioning a non-interventionist foreign policy, I'm in favor of a non-interventionist domestic policy.
    Last edited by Tucker Case; 10-28-09 at 11:09 PM.

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    Re: What is your politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Also, if we're going to play that game, we'd better just accept the fact that sometimes we're going to have to go to war, not for some "noble cause", but to protect our own economic intrests...ie we might have to decide that "blood for oil" is not a dirty word.
    Well, I've been there all along. Just think it's important to remember that if we're trading blood for oil, then the people giving their blood need to get a taste of the oil, too-- and we need to make sure it's the whole country profiting.

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