View Poll Results: What should happen to the lost pilots?

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  • They are too irresponsible to get nothing less than permanent ban from commercial flying

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  • Since it's a first offense they should only get a suspension

    10 40.00%
  • They should get a warning

    4 16.00%
  • Why all the fuss? Everyone has lapses from time to time

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  • I'd hire them if I had an airline

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Thread: Should the lost pilots have their licenses revoked?

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    Re: Should the lost pilots have their licenses revoked?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    What about these goofing off, distracted pilots? Should they have their licenses revoked?

    BBC NEWS | Americas | Lost US pilots' licences revoked
    I guess it depends on your experience and confidence in believing the trumped up story of the pilots.

    What most likely occurred is that they fell asleep at the "wheel" and endangered their lives and the lives of their passengers. The notion that they were distracted from their jobs playing on their laptops is beyond incredible.

    When flying under IFR with air traffic control, pilots are in constant contact with ground traffic controllers and are required to respond when being handed off; these two morons didn't respond for over an hour. They were apparently SLEEPING and thus endangering the lives of their passengers and others who are flying the same airspace and thus rightly should lose the privilege of being an airline pilot.

    I do not think they should lose their privilege of being private pilots however; just don't let these idiots fly passengers the rest of their lives.

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    Re: Should the lost pilots have their licenses revoked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    That particular comment was about operations, not letting anyone off the hook.

    No one has made excuses and you can't point out anyone who has. No one has suggested they get off free and clear. The only difference in opinion is on the severity of the punishment.

    Making invalid assumptions based on erroneous info is not good.
    I call em as I see em and yep.. You asked for an example? I gave you one. Refrain from trying to be bossy boots and telling me what someone did or did not say! Invalid? How dare you! I went on what someone said! Please refrain from telling me about making invalid assumptions considering that my reply was in direct reply to other replies in this thread.

    You know what is not good? Some frigging idiot trying to tell me I am making invalid assumptions when I am not. Since you are tossing out advice? I suggest that you do not try to order me around and discredit my post simply because you did not like the example that you asked me to provide.
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    Re: Should the lost pilots have their licenses revoked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    I call em as I see em and yep.. You asked for an example? I gave you one. Refrain from trying to be bossy boots and telling me what someone did or did not say! Invalid? How dare you! I went on what someone said! Please refrain from telling me about making invalid assumptions considering that my reply was in direct reply to other replies in this thread.
    Your replies made no sense and still don't. No one has said anything even close to what you suggested and you cannot post anything even close.

    So this means either you did not understand what you read, or something worse.

    And yes your comments are not only invalid but do not really pertain to anything said.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    You know what is not good? Some frigging idiot trying to tell me I am making invalid assumptions when I am not. Since you are tossing out advice? I suggest that you do not try to order me around and discredit my post simply because you did not like the example that you asked me to provide.
    #1 Your comment was not true, and applied to no one in this thread at all.
    #2 You didn't provide anything that was even close to what you claimed.
    #3 I did not try and tell you to do anything. I made a suggestion so you would not make yourself look any more ridicule's.
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    Re: Should the lost pilots have their licenses revoked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    I call em as I see em and yep.. You asked for an example? I gave you one. Refrain from trying to be bossy boots and telling me what someone did or did not say! Invalid? How dare you! I went on what someone said! Please refrain from telling me about making invalid assumptions considering that my reply was in direct reply to other replies in this thread.

    You know what is not good? Some frigging idiot trying to tell me I am making invalid assumptions when I am not. Since you are tossing out advice? I suggest that you do not try to order me around and discredit my post simply because you did not like the example that you asked me to provide.
    OMG, that is cute; "bossy boots "

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    Re: Should the lost pilots have their licenses revoked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    ...and sued by the passengers.
    I agree that the pilots are DUMB and DUMBER candidates but what would be the basis of the law suit ? There was no loss of life thank God. There were no injuries, thank luck. The only possible action that I can think of is if a passenger was late for something that caused that passenger to suffer a financial loss.

    Therefore I do not see a tort action here but there may be wiggle room for a breach of contract. I am not cetrtain but there could be an implied contract between the airlines and the passengers to deliver the passengers to their destination within a reasonable span of time. If there is an implied contract there the airlines will not be able to claim that it was the pilot's fault alone since the pilots work for the airline and are by function agents of the airlines.

    Yet who knows maybe there was some sort of tort reform that I missed and the passengers are blocked from frivolous lawsuits ...LOL
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    Re: Should the lost pilots have their licenses revoked?

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    I agree that the pilots are DUMB and DUMBER candidates but what would be the basis of the law suit ?
    Reckless endangerment.

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    There was no loss of life thank God.
    There doesn't have to be.

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    There were no injuries, thank luck.
    There doesn't have to be.

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    The only possible action that I can think of is if a passenger was late for something that caused that passenger to suffer a financial loss.
    His/her life was in undue risk.

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    Therefore I do not see a tort action here....
    Yeah but you're wrong.

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    Re: Should the lost pilots have their licenses revoked?

    In more temperate and less self-indulgent times, people didn't suggest or think of suing every time something went wrong in life.

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    Re: Should the lost pilots have their licenses revoked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Reckless endangerment.
    That'd be a tough one to prove, IMO, but IANAL

    I seriously doubt that anybody wants them to get off scott free. I know that in a job like that of an airline pilot, awareness - not only to the sky around you but the instruments and functional mechanisms of the aircraft itself) are important. The issue is, and always has been IMO the punishment fitting the crime. Certainly you have to consider the nature of it, the previous record of the pilots in question, and just applying common sense instead this emotional bloodlust that ALWAYS comes up in issues like - and very different from - this.

    IMO, they shouldn't get their licenses completely revoked as some people have said they should. That is the textbook definition of seeking bloodlust instead of actually addressing the issue. Fired? Maybe yes, being aware of your surroundings is important in being a pilot, paying attention to what is going on in the cockpit and the airspace is absolutely vital... not to mention that being late can cause issues with regards to connections and even other flights that are supposed to be coming in later that may be delayed from the extra time caused by this aircraft occupying this gate for longer than it should, ultimately costing Delta $$$ - something no airline has a lot of right now.

    I wouldn't be surprised, if the pilot's story is true and they were reviewing company policies and scheduling software as I heard, tried to take Delta on claiming they created this situation by applying the pressure to quickly learn these new policies and whatnot. It could happen, I'm not saying whether or not I support that move.
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    Re: Should the lost pilots have their licenses revoked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Probably not, but the FAA is making a political move, not a rational one. They think everyone expects them to fire the pilots so they're firing the pilots.

    I had a nice long conversation with a 30+ commercial airline veteran who says what they did isn't unusual or uncommon. At best, they should be suspended for a couple of months and required to undergo retraining. Firing them is rather silly, but the FAA is often a silly organization.
    Being out of contact for an hour is usual?? Uh...uh. No way. They had all kind of emergency vehicles waiting for them along with agents when they landed. This is nothing to be laughed away. This is not usual. If it is than that airline is pathetic.

    And being on laptops for an hour with headsets off ...yeah....right. I wonder if they were joined in a hot liaison instead and just lost all track of time in the heat of the moment.

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    Re: Should the lost pilots have their licenses revoked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    That'd be a tough one to prove, IMO, but IANAL

    I seriously doubt that anybody wants them to get off scott free. I know that in a job like that of an airline pilot, awareness - not only to the sky around you but the instruments and functional mechanisms of the aircraft itself) are important. The issue is, and always has been IMO the punishment fitting the crime. Certainly you have to consider the nature of it, the previous record of the pilots in question, and just applying common sense instead this emotional bloodlust that ALWAYS comes up in issues like - and very different from - this.

    IMO, they shouldn't get their licenses completely revoked as some people have said they should. That is the textbook definition of seeking bloodlust instead of actually addressing the issue. Fired? Maybe yes, being aware of your surroundings is important in being a pilot, paying attention to what is going on in the cockpit and the airspace is absolutely vital... not to mention that being late can cause issues with regards to connections and even other flights that are supposed to be coming in later that may be delayed from the extra time caused by this aircraft occupying this gate for longer than it should, ultimately costing Delta $$$ - something no airline has a lot of right now.

    I wouldn't be surprised, if the pilot's story is true and they were reviewing company policies and scheduling software as I heard, tried to take Delta on claiming they created this situation by applying the pressure to quickly learn these new policies and whatnot. It could happen, I'm not saying whether or not I support that move.
    I wouldn't need to prove it, just frighten the airline into settling out of court.

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